From America's Flop to America's Blowout -- and we couldn't be happier

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New Zealand's Emirates team smokes the American Oracle team, yet again, on Sept. 12. Races could wrap up Sunday.

New Zealand’s sailing team could win the America’s Cup this weekend after taking a 6-0 lead over the American team sponsored by Oracle and its billionaire CEO Larry Ellison, who made this elite sailing race even more prohibitively expensive than usual. And we at the Guardian couldn’t be happier for the Kiwis. Go New Zealand!

For years, we’ve been covering this sad spectacle, from the overhyped initial attendance and economic projections to the waterfront land grab and real estate swindle that Ellison and company tried to perpetrate on San Francisco to sticking city taxpayers with a big bill that Ellison should have footed himself to the episodes of cheating that caused international judges to dock Ellison’s team two points in the final (one of which is still yet to be assessed).

So we feel vindicated by this great act of karmic justice, to watch Ellison’s team not just losing badly, but being utterly blown out of the water by the straight-shooting team from Down Under, whose skipper has pledged to scale back future America’s Cups to make them cheaper and more accessible.

Frankly, watching the America’s Cup has been far less exciting than the speedy “NASCAR on water” that it was hyped as by organizers. This “sport” makes baseball seem riveting and fast-paced. But we’re thrilled to watch the grand finale, if only for the snicker.  

 

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doesn't mean almost all Americans do as well. How about some studies that back up your claim about this "pervasive respect for people and corporations that succeed," whatever that means?

Mercenary and materialsitic, you got that part right if you are describing yourself.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 11:53 pm

But only when it belongs to others.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 11:31 am

"the city will probably have lost money on it (but who cares?)" As a taxpayer, I care! Especially since all the people involved with this debacle can afford to reimburse the City.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 8:36 am

throw it all at some drop-in social services center for disabled homeless transsexuals.

Invest in winners and excellence.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 3:00 pm

I haven't been paying attention to this, but this is great news. I especially like the part about scaling down the race and making it more accessible. Woo-hoo! Go Kiwis!

Everybody loves an underdog!

Posted by Greg on Sep. 13, 2013 @ 10:07 pm

Really...you Progressives aren't embarrassed by Steven T Jone's sophomoric gloating? Honestly? Can you explain the benefit that it provides to anyone?

FWIW, the America's Cup was obviously NOT the economic benefit to the city that was originally planned. The latest estimate was $780 million pumped into the city's economy:

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Disappointing-America-s-Cup-still-a...

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2013/09/san-francisco-hotel...

And the city's net expense is somewhere around $18 million. This is the money that Steven says that Ellison should have paid for bringing $780 million into the city.

And Steven T Jones' plan to inject 3/4 of a billion into the local economy is_______________________ (?)

Posted by Guest on Sep. 13, 2013 @ 10:31 pm

I'm proud that my wife and I made a small contribution to the $780 Million in estimated windfall to SF due to the America's Cup. We traveled from Florida and spent 12 days in the city -- hotel rooms, lunches/dinners, parking tickets, rental cars, souvenir purchases, bridge tolls, they all added up.

BTW, the racing (during the Louis Vuitton Cup) in August was GREAT! Of course, I'm a long-time sailor who's been to every AC regatta in the US ('83, '92, '95) so my interest is understandable.

My point is that many people are like me and have an interest in the Cup and the racing, regardless of all the numerous screw-ups by the America's Cup management.

Thanks, San Francisco, we had a great time in your fabulous city. Thanks for hosting the 2013 America's Cup.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 6:26 am

The Chron and the business press have been cheerleading this event for months. Their numbers have been proven to be pulled from thin air. The city is on the hook for a lot, and it's money we need.

Posted by Greg on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 8:50 am

Well if you don't trust the numbers then just go down to the waterfront during race day. It is packed to at least 4th of July levels, maybe even Blue Angels. Lots of people, lots of different languages being spoken.

It makes it a bit tougher to deny that this is still a huge positive for the SF economy.

Posted by Troll on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 1:22 pm

most of that money is a tracking of the payments that went to developers to build the thing, most of which money flew rapidly out of the city to Wall Street and the east bay cities that the construction workers live in

san francisco just got jacked and stuck with the bill

Posted by rac on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 1:35 pm

It is a matter of honor and prestige, and it puts us on the map as a venue for global high-value events.

Several cities have taken a loss on hosting the Olympics but they do it anyway for other reasons.

People will remember the AC here for years. They won't remember all the petty griping from the envious killjoys on the left.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 1:53 pm

how larry ellison stuck san francisco with a multi-million dollar bill is his failed attempt to steal a large section of san francisco's waterfront to use as his person real estate cash machine (thankfully the supervisors cut him off before he could get away with it)

and i will likewise not forget how ellison then went on to 'race' in a joke event that became tragic farce (in which he got caught cheating) and the main attraction turned out to be a mere two stupid hazardously over-engineered boats racing each other, looking like half drowned passenger jets

i indeed will never forget such a monumental clusterfuck

Posted by racer x on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 3:37 pm

what the city usually wastes its money on

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 4:33 pm

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Posted by troll barrier on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 5:04 pm

they didn't have to hold the AC here. We should all feel proud of the fact that we chose to invest in this great spectacle, which will long and fondly be remembered here.

Posted by anon on Sep. 15, 2013 @ 8:50 am

They're talking about the increased activity in the local economy brought about by all of the people packing the waterfront. Not sure what you are talking about.

And before anybody says that nobody is down at the waterfront, don't bother. I was just down there. It is filled with people having a good time at levels rarely seen.

Posted by Troll on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 2:01 pm

your anti-America, anti-cop, anti-Asian, anti-success political obsession, so why should this time be any different?

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 1:54 pm

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

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Posted by troll barrier on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 4:02 pm

Not that that is really news to anyone anyway.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 4:36 pm
Posted by anon on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 4:37 pm

The New Zealand government invested $36 million dollars into their boat and sailing team. In other words, taxpayer money that could have gone to teachers, police or infrastructure instead went directly to the sailing team.

And by all accounts everybody is glad that they did it.

Not sure if the author of this post knew that when he cited them as a positive role model.

Also, everybody agrees that the boats should be scaled down next time. Even Ellison's representatives have said so. They tried to do something big and they reached too far. Everybody makes mistakes, especially when trying to do something big.

Posted by HKF on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 7:12 am

Last I checked, New Zealand provides their citizens with free health care, guaranteed pensions, 30 days vacation, and paid family leave. And none of this stuff is at risk. Their cities are clean, their public transportation works, and their cops are exceedingly polite. Because they don't spend a crapload of money on tax breaks for the rich, the war machine, and incarceration of their own citizens, they can afford to splurge a little on circuses. If that was the situation here, I wouldn't mind. But it's not. Unlike New Zealand, we can't afford another boondoggle that enriches our 0.1% even further at the expense of everyone else (in a country where the inequality is already much greater than in New Zealand).

Posted by Greg on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 8:58 am

underclass, a vast criminal class, a porous border, a massive military to finance and some democrat and republican wars to pay off.

Posted by Matlock on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 9:31 am

"They also don't have a vast
underclass, a vast criminal class, a porous border, a massive military to finance and some democrat and republican wars to pay off. "

Um... yeah. But whose fault is that? They don't have a vast underclass because they have a great social safety net. They don't have a vast criminal class because they don't have a vast underclass. They actually do let in more immigrants one way or another, as a percentage of population (they recognize that immigrants are a net boon rather than looking at them as a net drain like we tend to). They don't waste their money on massive military budgets like we do (and no, we don't have to do that -our government does that because they *want* to). And yes, their politics is better.

In short, they have their priorities correct -they take care of their people, and thus they have some money left over for silly diversions like the America's Cup, unlike this country which screws its own people and then blames those same people for the failings of their leaders.

I don't see any contradiction between what I said and what you said. The only difference seems to be that you're making excuses for a dysfunctional ruling class.

Posted by Greg on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 9:50 am

That's matlock for you. Even when he agrees, he has to find an angle to disagree. Anything to criticize progressives, even if he himself doesn't know exactly what he's disagreeing with.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:20 am

European model.

Magical thinking and your sense of entitlement doesn't change reality.

Progressives are for expanding America's underclass, there is no way to keep up with that financially so that American can afford Greek/Spain like bankruptcy's.

The tail chasing exercise of creating more lower class people and then wanting to create a western Europe welfare state makes no real world sense.

Sorry, your government by good intentions and magical thinking is a fail.

Posted by Matlock on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:37 am

other than being English-speaking, which of course helps, there isn't much commonality with the US.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:48 am

An English language supremacist?

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 11:19 am

the language that everyone else wants to learn?

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 11:28 am

this is simply a troll barrier

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Posted by troll barrier on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 1:18 pm

thing. The only purpose it serves is to acknowledge defeat although, in this case, that was obvious anyway. English is the most desirable language on the planet to speak.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 1:51 pm

Matlock makes no sense. You confuse cause and effect, saying that New Zealand provides better because it has no vast underclass. Wrong. It has no vast underclass because it provides better for its people. Progressives want policies that reduce the underclass, like New Zealand. As usual you have it backwards.

And no, New Zealand is not homogenous. It's actually more multicultural and multiracial than the United States. It is smaller, which hurts rather than helps. The United States should do even better than New Zealand because of the economics of scale. But it doesn't, because our priorities are fucked up.

Next... the trolls will begin with the "America love it or leave it" crap, the meme of last resort.

Posted by Greg on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 5:33 pm

Your actual policies increase it.

Your magical thinking that if we just followed your magical leaders things would go much better for everyone is a hoot.

You want open borders and a welfare state. The two are mutually exclusive no matter how much you wish.

For people to agree with you they have to "get it," they have to accept your belief system that problems can be solved by the correct incantations and potions, while not dealing with the real world.

For example New Zealand is picky about who they let in, this throws a wrench in your magical world view, so you just go back to how we need to be true of mind and heart and we could have this fantastic welfare state... Like Greece and Spain.

I also find it entertaining that you call people who don't agree with you trolls.

Posted by Matlock on Sep. 15, 2013 @ 11:40 am

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Posted by troll barrier on Sep. 15, 2013 @ 12:21 pm

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Posted by troll barrier on Sep. 15, 2013 @ 12:21 pm

This is why I love progressives, the magic thinking.

If only we were all pure of heart everything would be great.

New Zealand had a post war baby boom, they didn't have an echo boom, so they now let in people that are useful to the economy, such as nurses and doctors. They don't let in grade school drop outs. They never had big city problems on the scale of the USA.

etc...

We can agree the wars are a waste, the rest is just magic thinking.

Posted by burning man on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:26 am

You can't hide your bitterness and hatred, Matlock. It shows through, whatever handle you may use.

Posted by Greg on Sep. 20, 2013 @ 9:15 pm

and that it is not the way it is because that is what the American people want. After all, we elect the politicians that make it the way it is, so if you don't like it you can only blame yourself.

The fact that New Zealand might win a boat race does not mean that they have a superior political system. But if you think otherwise, then move there.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:41 am

like Randroids, born againers, neo-cons, Birchers, etc...

The reason the political system doesn't reflect the values of progressives is because we are all just too stupid to get it.

Americans just don't do the uni-mind thing like progressives and other true believers do, because the rest of us don't have a narrow belief system everyone but other progressives are considered stupid and working against our own interests.

Posted by Matlock on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:54 am

There it is. Hadn't read that far down when I predicted the trolls would now fall back to the Meme of Last Resort.

Posted by Greg on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 5:36 pm

nation that obviously doesn't suit you. Rather than simply move somewhere where the political climate suits your ideological clothes.

If I were in your position, I'd do something about it rather than endlessly whine that you don't fit in here.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 7:55 pm

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Posted by troll barrier on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 9:24 pm

The only question is when will Greg finally accept reality and emigrate to a place whose society fits him better/

Posted by Guest on Sep. 15, 2013 @ 8:47 am

"They actually do let in more immigrants one way or another, as a percentage of population (they recognize that immigrants are a net boon rather than looking at them as a net drain like we tend to)."

LOL. New Zealand uses a skills-based approach to prioritizing immigration applications. Good luck immigrating to New Zealand if you are a high-school dropout (like half of US undocumented immigrants).

Oh yeah, and fluency in English is an absolute requirement. No English, no immigrating to New Zealand.

I'd be willing to adopt New Zealand's immigration laws in a heartbeat - but I suspect you wouldn't.

Posted by A New Cash-Only Business! on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 7:29 pm

One wonders when most USans will learn English? I'm specifically talking about people born here, and not undocumented immigrants/migrant workers. Most people mispronounce and/or slur through what they call English, but what is spoken in the US is not English but rather a hybrid of sorts of English. English is spoken in England/UK. That's English.

And any language---including the language of music---can take a long time to learn. So when someone flippantly tells someone to "go learn English," (when they probably can't half speak it themselves!) that's extremely simplistic thinking and tells me the person has no grasp of how long it can take for someone to learn a language, especially depending upon the amount of time the person has to devote to the language as well as their "ear" for languages (to sound authentic when speaking the language).

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 8:13 pm

Mission hipsters’s sailing team could win the Burning Man Cup this weekend after taking a 6-0* lead over the fascist American team sponsored by the establishment and its class enemy CEO Larry Ellison, who made this capitalist running dog sailing race even more prohibitively expensive than usual. And we at the people's weekly couldn’t be happier for the Hipsters. Go Mission hipsters!

For years, we’ve been writing our own counter propaganda to anything and everything, including this sad unpeople spectacle, from the over hyped initial attendance and economic projections to the waterfront land grab and real estate swindle that class enemy Ellison and company tried to perpetrate on San Francisco sticking city taxpayers(who we get treat like shit, no one else) with a big bill that class enemy Ellison should have footed himself. To the episodes of cheating that caused international judges (in Europe where everything is better and where we should move) to dock Ellison’s team two points in the final (one of which is still yet to be assessed). Everyone knows it is the cities progressives job to waste tax payers dollars on useless schemes and lawsuits as we at the people's weekly cheer mindlessly.

So we feel more self righteous than usual by this great act of karmic justice, to watch class enemy Ellison’s team not just losing badly(although competition is a penis male dominated concept,) but being utterly blown out of the water by the straight-shooting team from the Mission fixed gear burning man society, whose skinny jeans has pledged to scale back future Burning Man Cup to make them cheaper and more accessible, although if those same costs were applied to San Francisco from the start we would still be bitching.

Frankly, watching the Burning Man Cup has been far less exciting than the speedy “NASCAR on water” that it was hyped as by organizers. This “sport” makes burning man art seem riveting, fast-paced and talented. But we’re thrilled to watch the grand finale by STYX, if only for our feelings of righteous superiority.

*although we oppose competition of any kind as it creates winners and losers and everyone is a winner.

Posted by burning man on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:08 am

Maybe if the organizers had figured out a way to display some of the sailor beefcake operating the ships, I might have paid attention to the race.

Posted by MPetrelis on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:34 am

Oracle not US.

These are two competing corporations on the public dole. :(

Nothing to cheer here!

Posted by guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 10:49 am

Or rather, a federation of middle-east oil principalities.

Posted by Guest on Sep. 14, 2013 @ 11:00 am

not Emirates the country that's sponsoring the Team New Zealand.

Posted by Greg on Sep. 20, 2013 @ 8:30 pm

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