So sad,

One of the more hilarious aspects of the back and forth in "Mr Redmond's Cyber Playpen" is the inevitable scream from Redmond's adversaries of "envy" every time Redmond posts anything critical of SF's moneyed class. Imputing motive into why someone says something as a way of derailing a discussion is old hat as is. Who cares why something is written, it's there, debate its merits. But the automatic assumption that Redmond's bitterness over his failure in business leads him to muck-rake isn't even asinine, it's borderline demented.

As Redmond (and I) came from a relatively privileged background and yet voluntarily chose a profession where getting rich isn't part of the reward at all, why would we envy those whose ranks we could easily have joined? Journalism, even when print media was thriving, isn't lucrative. Neither is music/radio work. I can't speak for him, but as someone that actually turned down a career in brokerage to play rock and roll, accumulating money didn't seem anywhere near as gratifying. As Earl Butz pointed out many years ago, there are more important things in life.

An investigative reporter in any major city is gonna find lots and lots of sweetheart deals between City Hall and developers or landlords or any business interest. And would be remiss to not report them. It's part of the gig they love. And lordy be, giving voice to people that don't have one is satisfying if not fiscally rewarding. Claiming that Redmond must be envious of people he has nothing in common with is like claiming a gay man would envy the straight guy with the beautiful woman on his arm--she isn't something he'd ever want, so it would never occur to him to be envious.

No, trollsky's, the "envy of the rich" doesn't come from Tim, Marke, Steve or I--but from you. All day every day planted on the lefty website hurling puerile broadsides like a cafeteria food fight--the idea that the rich and their government enablers are skeevy enrages you, because you wish so desperately to be part of a group of people that have no need for you (and recognizing that you're a peon is too painful to accept). How dare anyone knock the people that are living YOUR dream? 

Hate to say it, but this is classic projection, or in layman's terms "if you spot it, you got it". Screaming "you're jealous" at someone else when the big green globs of same are rolling off your brow like algae-laden sweat. It can be sort of funny in a pitiful manner at first but it's gotten tedious--the hand that has the finger pointing outward has four pointing back at you. Next time you feel the urge to project, take four quarters off mama's dresser and buy a lottery ticket. It's healthier. 


It's telling that you accuse your detractors of a logical fallacy when your own broadsides are little more than rancid heaps of logical fallacies. Who's projecting, exactly?

Posted by Chromefields on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 8:20 am

appears in the above comment from Chromefields, though the string "logical" appears within the term "psychological projection." So it would seem that the troll is into projecting phrases as well as jealousy.

Posted by lillipublicans on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 8:49 am

"Imputing motive into why someone says something..." was Johnny's reference to the common logical fallacy of "appeal to motive." But Johnny himself is quite fond of the straw man, the appeal to authority, the slippery slope, the post hoc, the false analogy, and the apophasis, just off the top of my head.

Posted by Chromefields on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 9:11 am

psycho babble around the rights positions long ago, the left use these saws and canards as high logic when confronted with positions that offend them.

It is easier for people to attribute to their enemies these secret causes than to confront the actual arguments. Perhaps Tim isn't driven by envy, but when little Johnny whines about racism and the immigration issue, he has devolved to what he complains about here. Progressives are good at spinning out this non sense but sure get upset when they get it back.

Posted by matlock on Jun. 14, 2013 @ 12:10 am

six-figure earning lawyer wife.

You might be an impoverished failed pop singer, but Tim is doing very nicely for himself, than you.

Although not as well as the property-speculating, union-busting Bruce B. Brugmann.

Posted by Guest on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 9:31 am

it appears our dear Johnny failed to get that MA in psychology as well.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 9:40 am
Posted by Guest on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 10:16 am

Johnny's confident assertion that no one who opposes his class-warfare bromides on this site is "rich," a relative descriptor if ever there was one. With Johnny, you're either a maniacal Rothschild or a noble slob steeped in his own piss behind a dumpster. There is no in-between, and he actually finds the latter preferable.

Posted by Chromefields on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 10:15 am

No on so many levels.

FIrst of all, the "class warfare" has been -- as ever -- waged by moneyed and powerful interests over the poor. They started winning big again around 1972 and continued so that now the situation has gotten to be as bad as it's ever been.

And the thoughtful analyses often provided by Johnny here and Tim too have been anything but "bromides" -- which is exactly what you and your cohort supply in abundance: tiresome and commonplace reactionary platitudes.

And Johnny "confident assertion" is in the form of saying that the bromides have come from "all of you" -- hardly a direct assertion, though certainly credible -- and meanwhile he never proposed the division of the population into maniacal Rothschilds and piss soaked "noble" slobs, whatever that means.

Posted by lillipublicans on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 11:09 am

Only every stated by someone who isn't rich and is looking to rationalize away their failure.

I know a number of fairly wealthy and successful people and none of them are fighting any war with anyone. They are simply taking risks, working hard and building prosperity.

They hate nobody and are infused with curiosity, empathy and drive.

No it is life's losers and failures who conjure that myth up to mask how their envy permeates their ideology. If they cannot succeed by your own efforts, then they invoke a war hoping to confiscate the fruits of the hard work of others.


Posted by Guest on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 11:28 am

So Tim envies himself?? Ha. I suggest you trolls (speaking of losers) get your story straight, at least.

Posted by guest on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 12:39 pm

literally hate themselves. But they are guilty of gross hypocrisy.

Posted by Guest on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 2:05 pm

Thank you, johnnypublicans, for defending your sweet baby. Your opinion is noted and quickly forgotten for all the usual reasons (see, "I know you are but what am I."). It's dispiriting how the far left is so confused by satire, parody, metaphor, and humor in general.

Posted by Chromefields on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 11:33 am

Tim's smart. He's dedicated to losing - as that's his comfort zone - but he's smart. Marke to a degree, and Steven... meh, sure, he's an asshole but he can at least write.

You're dumber than a box of cat shit. Although none of them will ever say it, they don't want you lumping yourself on to their team.

Posted by Scram on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

He's wise, witty, and insightful. And look, he got you poor trolls frothing at the mouth. I'd say he's done his job well.

Posted by Sofia on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 12:49 pm

That should fool everyone for about five minutes.

Posted by Guest on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 2:13 pm

"As Redmond (and I) came from a relatively privileged background and yet voluntarily chose a profession where getting rich isn't part of the reward at all"

I've wondered if Johnny is a long-term trustifarian - he certainly writes like one, and, looking at his wikipedia bio, he's never seemed to do anything that actually earns money.

Posted by Sam on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 1:43 pm

obviously that trustfund brat Chris Daly. In fact it is exactly that sense of entitlement that causes them to eschew work and, instead, scribe that they should be entitled to the prosperity of others.

Posted by Guest on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 2:15 pm

Wow, JAW flapper has everyone figured out

Posted by guest on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 4:41 pm

back in the 60's the left attributed to the right all sorts of brain maladies. See the books "the Paranoid style of American Politics" or "the Politics of Unreason" for examples.

For every right wing position there was a secondary reason for their position based in some deep seated psychological psycho babble. The right needed to catch up so they created their own lexicon around this stuff to compete with the lefts jibber jabber.

Deep thinker Johnny the other day said that the reason the right is opposed to immigration is racism, here deep thinker Johnny is upset that people accuse "progressives" of envy.

Self awareness is certainly not a progressive attribute as little Johnny shows.

Posted by matlock on Jun. 14, 2013 @ 12:00 am

Those are disparaging remarks JAW. And I disagree wholeheartedly.

Tim put in 30 good years at SFBG, and now you are waving him off with one flick of your preverbial wrists. I for one don't like that.

The man paid his dues. At least you should say a few or several nice homage-type stuff about him.

Posted by Edward on Jun. 14, 2013 @ 5:40 pm

The comment was made when Tim was still an employee.

And it is a joke that he liked--it isn't a cyber playpen because of anything he did or didn't do, but because of the colorful and generally obnoxious people that congregate here.

Including me.

Posted by JohnnyW on Jun. 14, 2013 @ 5:50 pm

Oh, thank you JAW. I stand corrected by you.

Posted by Edward on Jun. 15, 2013 @ 2:36 am

Or, at least, we should give JAW the benefit of that doubt until we know otherwise.

Then again, of course, maybe Todd went over Tim's head to hire JAW knowing that Tim was toast? At least, as a distraction for the carnage that was about to be unleashed.

Hey, JAW is a straight shooter - I'm sure he will reveal.

Posted by Guest on Jun. 14, 2013 @ 5:57 pm

Tim Redmond does NOT come from the priviledged classes. Emphasis on NOT.

He often wrote on this site (in the years before he quote/unquote "stepped down") that his brother is a working-class carpenter in New York state. Hence I think we can safely say that TR at least has working-class routes.

And in any case, he understands in theory and other ways what working-class people experience in real life

Posted by Edward on Jun. 14, 2013 @ 5:47 pm

"Messrs. Smith and Jones".

It would be Mister Redmond. Or maybe, Monsieur or Monsignor Redmond.

Posted by anon on Jun. 14, 2013 @ 6:04 pm

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