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Kaitlyn Hunt

No issue in America has had as abrupt a public opinion turn as gay rights. Once a third rail that could never be touched by politicians lest the juggernaut of America's homophobes land on them, gay rights are now on their way to be accepted for what they actually are--basic human rights. Same sex marriage polls favorably by almost 3-2, ten years go, that figure was reversed. It's easy to see why--as more gays and lesbians come out, more friends, neighbors, coworkers and family realize the plainly obvious--put a human face on an abstraction and the abstraction disappears. When it's your kid or workmate, you get mighty angry when they're attacked.

Nothing ever changes completely that fast, though. The two major stories of today--18 year old Floridian Kaitlyn Hunt's refusal of a plea bargain in exchange for charges of sexual abuse of a minor (a 15 year old female) and the Boy Scouts of America's decision to let openly gay kids join--are examples of the residue of obstinate, fundamentalist lunacy when it comes to the issue of same sex relationships, especially those of teens.

In the former's case, Ms Hunt has been in an ongoing relationship with a younger girl for over a year, which began when both of them were minors. According to Hunt's attorney, the younger girl's parents were indeed aware of this at the time and seem to have waited until Hunt achieved majority before pressing charges which are two felony counts of "lewd and lascivious battery on a child 12 to 16" .

The local DA offered a plea deal of house arrest for a few years, which doesn't sound too extreme--but part of the deal means Hunt becomes a registed sex offender, which affects the rest of her life. Hunt (no fool she) refused this. 

That the relationship has been ongoing and that the "victim's" parents picked the date they did to press charges indicates that they are vindictive and clueless. Their anger is really aimed at their own daughter because as fundamentalists, a lesbian child is a clear rebuke to their beliefs. The narrative of "older girl as seducer" is comforting, but ultimately absurd. This was and is a consensual relationship between peers and one set of parents cannot accept it and are willing to ruin another person's life. It never occurs to them that in doing this, they may well ruin their own daughter's faith and trust in them. But when you have been thinking inside the box your whole life, this never arises.

The case of the BSA is simple. Pressure from the rest of the world circa 2013 plus some really ugly moments for them has dragged them into the modern world. Naturally, the yammering toads on America's right flank are going predictably bonkers. One, because many of them do believe their own bullshit, two, because this is lucrative ("only we can protect you, send us money and we'll show you how") and three because when one major article of faith is obliterated, all of them are vulnerable. If gay marriage, open gay relationships between teens and openly gay Scouts are acceptable, what else falls? People may wonder why these liars should be heeded at all and there goes the scam!

The saddest part of this is that lots of people get hurt badly to keep this backward-thinking idiocy afloat. Make no mistake, this is idiotic--the idea that accepting gay people is going to lead to sodomy-filled orgies in the streets is identical to the fear baiting of the 1960's where "the blacks are going to marry your daughter". Which rarely happened. One KKK becomes another--the Ku Klux Klan of the bygone era becomes the Krazy Klown Kult of today. Except that the latter has a formal title--the Republican Party.

Therefore, for this madness to end, the Republicans have got to tell the fundies to stow it. Not only is this nonsense ugly, it could very well doom them to extinction. As today's birthday boy once sang in the 60's, the times are a changing. And in reality, Kaitlyn Hunt should be a hero to the GOP for doing what they believe is the greatest thing any American can do. Stand up to government tyranny. Unless it's theirs, of course. 






What's the worst that could happen to the GOP if they dropped the antigay hate? Maybe being a relevant force again in certain states as a result?

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 11:16 am

The question is simply whether you think the institution of marriage is something that isn't defined as being heterosexual or not. And that view may vary from State to State, which isn't a problem except that there is a Federal definition as well which will sometimes contradict it.

What kind of cousin you can marry, and at what age, also varies by State.

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 11:26 am

Then why are so many Republicans (not all) opposed to getting rid of DOMA, even some who normally advocate limited government and federalism/states' rights? Obviously, not all, but enough prefer the federal government to enforce its definition of marriage on the states.

Fortunately there is a good chance the SCOTUS will strike DOMA down...

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 11:48 am

Many GOP'ers are devout Christians, who take the bible literally. Same with Latinos (Catholics) and Blacks (Baptists). That is why Gay Marriage doesn't do as well with these groups. You can't take the Bible literally and still support gay marriage.

Posted by Richmondman on May. 24, 2013 @ 12:26 pm

Actually, they don't take the Bible literally. Leviticus alone is chock full of pronouncements that no sane person would follow today. Or could, unless they wanted to go to jail.
Lev 20 -“‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head...‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death...‘A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.’” etc etc

Posted by Chris on May. 24, 2013 @ 1:46 pm
Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 3:17 pm

sometimes called the "Golden Rule" and claimed by Biblicans... though they usually do a rather poor job of following it.

Posted by lillipublicans on May. 25, 2013 @ 4:39 pm

They're attempting to appeal to their base. They don't actually believe in anything.

Posted by So what? on May. 25, 2013 @ 2:35 pm

sex, gays, abortion and other social issues. California may be liberal, if not libertine, about such issues but that doesn't play well in the heartland. Compassionate observers accept such differences.

That's why this country was conceived as a loose federation of States, so that each can go their own way according to how their citizens and voters decree. One size really doesn't fit all and, insofar as San Franciscans claim to be tolerant, this is a good test issue to confirm or deny that tolerance.

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 11:20 am

Not a San Franciscan anymore, but as the issue is accepting points of view that deny my fellow Americans basic rights (does anyone anywhere think the younger girl's parents would have said a word were this "Karl Hunt"?). Nope.

And it ain't tolerance and never has been. It's acceptance. Who cares what I "tolerate" or not? Accepting other people's rights to do what I can do is the basis of civilization. 

Posted by JohnnyW on May. 24, 2013 @ 11:31 am

whether you should tolerate them or not, is that you presuppose the truth of your view over those who oppose that view.

Whereas the idea of tolerance is the acceptance of other, different and opposing views.

So what you're really saying is that you think you are so right about this and that, that anyone who disagrees with you must not be tolerated. And that is exactly how intolerance starts.

You presuppose that gay marriage is a right, but it is exactly that which is the fundamental question here. And until SCOTUS decides that re Prop 8 (and we do not know yet whether they even will), it remains a legitimate topic for debate.

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 11:40 am

"One KKK becomes another--the Ku Klux Klan of the bygone era becomes the Krazy Klown Kult of today. Except that the latter has a formal title--the Republican Party."

Krazy Klown Kult. For sure, very astute of you.

Posted by Frank on May. 24, 2013 @ 11:50 am

That girl's parents may or may not have objected if Hunt was a male. The prosecutors, OTOH, would have been just as zealous to convict him. The prison-industrial complex always desires new flesh

Posted by basta on May. 24, 2013 @ 11:53 am

This case did not begin when both girls were minors. According to the affidavit, the girls began dating in November of 2012 - by Katilyn's own admission. They may have met when they were both minors, but they did not begin dating until two months after Ms. Hunt turned 18 in August of 2012. Her girlfriend did not turn 15 until this past April. Ms. Hunt admits to having sexual relations with the 14 year old in December and January, and that she didn't think about the age difference because the 14 year old acted older. Sorry, this case is pretty cut and dried. If you want to talk about how ridiculous the statutory rape laws are when it comes to consensual sex between an 18 year old and a 14 year old that's another matter entirely, but 18 year old boys are in fact charged and convicted of this crime as well, and the 14 year old's parents twice asked Ms. Hunt to leave their daughter alone (they're an inter-racial couple, by the way, so they probably know a thing or two about prejudice). You can watch an interview with them here.

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 12:51 pm

The daughter's parents asked Ms Hunt to leave their daughter alone--but what was the daughter's take in all this?

I realize that as a minor, according to the law, her "feelings" are irrelevant. But we aren't  talking about the law per se here, the issue is destroying an 18 year old's life by USING said law to do so for purposes of vengeance.

The law is supposed to be dispassionate. And followed. But if the punishment causes far more damage than the crime did (and what was the crime, really?), why punish?

Ultimately, the 15 year old is going to be furious at her parents if not outright hate them for a variety of reasons. One, being thrust into a spotlight she didn't seek. Another is imposing a value set on her that she doesn't share and likely never will and thirdly, this isn't child abuse, it's using a technicality to theoretically end a relationship they didn't approve of (and which may end up going on a lot longer and more passionately as a result).

They didn't want her daughter seeing Ms Hunt, get a restraining order (if possible). This is overkill. 

Posted by JohnnyW on May. 24, 2013 @ 2:11 pm

Yes, I believe their motivation is screwy and they're only going to alienate themselves from their daughter. Still, the legal issue here is the age of consent. Like it or not, I would think twice before encouraging the older girl to refuse the plea offer. We need to remember we're talking about the legal system of Florida. If she fights this, Florida may very well send her to prison to set an example. I don't like the situation either, but let's be careful here.

Posted by NLE on May. 24, 2013 @ 1:54 pm

Meanwhile, unfortunately hate crimes and anti-gay attacks against GLBTQs are rising all over the U.S. There was one in Manhattan last weekend.

Search engine: Gay man murdered in Manhattan

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 3:16 pm

50 years ago. And it is in no way hateful to believe that marriage is a heterosexual institution, even if you happen to hold a different opinion.

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 3:34 pm

you might also believe that marriage is a racially pure institution, whites should only marry whites, blacks marry blacks, latinos marry latinas, etc. But get with the 21st century, attitudes amongst the under-30 generation are overwhelmingly in favor of treating gays as everyone else, including the right to marry the one they love.

And it won´t take 50 years for them to take over the over-50 demographic ... probably more like 15 to 20 years.

Old conservatives are a dying breed.

Posted by Guest on May. 26, 2013 @ 3:28 pm

It's hateful because not extending marriage to same-sex relationships says those relationships aren't as good as opposite-sex relationships, i.e., they're inferior.

Posted by Hortencia on May. 27, 2013 @ 8:20 pm

"And it is in no way hateful to believe that marriage is a heterosexual institution"

Some "institution!" With a divorce rate of over 50% in the U.S.. Clearly over half of the sheep/suckers who get talked into the "getting married" bull shit don't like it. They feel locked in some "institution!" Perhaps that's why they call it "wedLOCK."

It's a damn crock. That's what it is. Which is why I don't understand why GLBTQs are so hell-bent on wanting that same mainstream, boring, dull, "straight institution" with a over 50% divorce rate. GLBTQs should have the same rights and benefits as anyone else without "the institution" bull shit attached.

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 4:07 pm

I suspect that, if and when they finally get it, they will rapidly become disappointed with it, and perhaps instead wish they had pushed for something important.

Posted by Guest on May. 24, 2013 @ 4:24 pm


Posted by lillipublicans on May. 25, 2013 @ 3:37 pm

Is that a few hundred miles north in Ol' Miss...perfectly legal.

Posted by Guest Marcus Parrish on May. 26, 2013 @ 1:01 pm

When I came out to my mother, I expected some degree of sympathy being that I am so much like her in every way, including the type of man that we both are attracted to... instead I got "If I knew this is how you would end up I wouldn't have had you."

My father's reaction? He trembled and said "You are my son and I will always love you no matter what." I was 15. When I turned 16, I met my first long term boyfriend who was 21 at the time. My dad let him move in with us and we had a great time.

I don't see much of my mother. After that horrible thing she said, I disconnected from her. I realized though she gave birth to me, and no doubt loved me, for her to be so screwed up by Christianity that she doesn't have real morals and is would actually say something so vile, she chose to no longer be my mother at that point.

Oh she tried to slightly apologize years later "We all say things we regret". Wish it made a difference, but it didn't so far, I'm 39 now. My dad and his wife and I moved out of the state. I love my mom but it's one of those things that if I never saw her again, I probably wouldn't notice it. Truly, I'd be relieved.

Beware parents! Is this how you want your family to end up? Then don't be a religious nutjob and realize that over 1500 animal species have been scientifically documented exhibiting natural homosexuality from pair-bonding to parenting. Did God not create everything, including the animals? Who could possibly have "recruited" the animals or convinced them to change to homosexuality? No one. It's a natural, God given gift. The Bible was written by Man who is already corrupt and lies. God's nature provides the proof to that. Don't let man's lies warp your morality or your family.

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