Young, creative people who work hard


I almost don't know what to say, except: Finally, someone admits it.

Rebecca Pederson, writing in The Bold Italic, explains why she actually likes the idea that San Francisco is becoming so expensive that thousands of longtime residents are being forced out; see, if it's more expensive to live here, then young, creative people will work harder:

People who want to make a living here from their creative work should have to hustle; it makes the successes much more meaningful.

Ah, yes. "Hustle." So all the older people who are, say, not trained in the tech field, or might be disabled and unable to "hustle," or the single parents who "hustle" all the goddam day just to keep the family together, or all the "creative" people who work for nonprofits or (gasp) are artists -- and trust me, they "hustle" as much as any tech worker ... they don't get to live here any more. Because

We can’t afford to walk barefoot around Golden Gate Park and write half-sonnets about trees. This city’s too expensive now.

I don't know anyone who thinks we still live in the Beat era. I don't know anyone who has ever written a half-sonnet about trees, and nobody with any sense of public health walks barefoot in Golden Gate Park. Get a clue.

But I do know a whole lot of people, including some who work for websites, who are seeing their lives and their community destroyed by rising prices -- which are due primarily to greed in the real-estate industry.

I don't think all tech workers are anywhere near as dumb as Rebecca Pederson, but I do see a lot of her attitude around: We are young and have money, and you are old and in the way. That's capitalism.

The "older people are losers" attitude was the worst part of the Sixties ethos (although disdain for labor -- often reciprocated by conservative unions -- was pretty bad, too.) This is a big city, with a diverse population. Not everyone is healthy and able to "hustle." Not everyone is young and carefree. Please, my friends: Have respect for the community you recently dropped into.

Yes, I was a San Francisco immigrant, too, in a different era, and I know things will always change, but I don't remember my young friends believing that they were by nature better and smarter than the people who already lived here. It's called respect.




Why would someone in Los Ángeles be concerned about what's going on in San Francisco to the point where they stagnate and go to pot on a forum in San Francisco? Since you mentioned sour grapes, maybe you're more concerned about the Whine Country, but that's north of San Francisco.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 3:37 pm

and inadvertently hilarious. It reads with the worn earnestness of a 2nd year undergraduate sociology student who is sure they have ALL the answers.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on May. 21, 2013 @ 5:41 pm

Such a bitter person. It must suck being miserable you. That blog is extremely well written but of course you wouldn't have a clue what's well written and what's not. You consistently say something is "poorly written" when you disagree with their views. You're very transparent. Also, you're so accustomed to what you arrogantly shit out on here pretending to have ALL the answers yourself. You think you're Ms Omnipotent. You're just bitter because that blog doesn't allow you a place to take a dump, like you do on here.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 6:37 pm

An Angeleno who likes to pontificate on things he doesn't know about. Listen - I love LA but I don't write comments on LA blogs either because it's none of my business what Angelenos want to do in their city. Extend us the same courtesy here - we're all Californians.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on May. 21, 2013 @ 7:09 pm

That blog is based in San Francisco, not Los Ángeles and they make it quite clear they're here (they talk about the Castro a lot). As usual you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 7:37 pm

Just sayin'

You completely misunderstood that post by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 3:37 pm.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 7:43 pm

"...who likes to pontificate on things he doesn't know about."

How is that any different than what you do on here every day?

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 7:46 pm

"A barrel of sour grapes" describe all of your comments on this site. Constantly moaning, whining and complaining. Fail to see your own hypocrisy, do you?

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 6:46 pm

Let me get this "straight"

The writers friend is moving to the north bay in part because of this:

"Are the girls asking the boys?” The boy said, “no, the girls…” and that’s all the real estate agent heard as he walked away.

The real estate agent said he felt disgusted hearing that heterosexual-based question because he wouldn’t expect to hear someone asking about “the girls asking the boys” in the Castro. "

Because he caught a snippet of a conversation that wasnt steeped in gayisms?
And this is considered "very well written" ?

Good riddance!

Posted by Maldita fondada on May. 22, 2013 @ 6:23 am

Ray Bradbury:

"The time we have alone; the time we have in walking; the time we have in riding a bicycle; are the most important times for a writer. Escaping from a typewriter is part of the creative process. You have to give your subconscious time to think. Real thinking always occurs on the subconscious level.

"I never consciously set out to write a certain story. The idea must originate somewhere deep within me and push itself out in its own time. Usually, it begins with associations. Electricity. The sea. Life started in the sea. Could the miracle occur again? Could life take hold in another environment? An electro-mechanical environment?"

If the electro-mechanical environment he describes is Rebecca's workplace, I have to wonder. But the point of her piece is that this time not spent at the keyboard isn't really working. Maybe she just wasn't cut out to be a writer.

Posted by Hortencia on May. 21, 2013 @ 3:15 pm

Yeah, how can they have respect for the community when they can't even see the community? I would think it would be hard to see the community on 2-story tall shuttles (especially if you're on the second story) and the windows are all blackened out. It makes it hard to see out and your face is buried deep into a gadget of some sort in a deep trance state. THAT is their community.

And aren't they texting critically important stuff like, "c u @ the bar @ 6 2 get drunk?"

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 3:28 pm

already here.

Just one example. The Guardian spends all sorts of time bitching about the backwards people west of twin peaks and blabbering how they should own their progressives districts full of carpet baggers like David Campos on the more enlightened side of the city.

Progressives move here to educate and enlighten the peasants, thats why they exist.

Posted by Matlock on May. 21, 2013 @ 3:37 pm the same about progressives, as you just did.

Posted by Hortencia on May. 21, 2013 @ 3:47 pm

Now Hortencia dear, you know you're not supposed to be giving that useless conservative troll any attention. He is possessed by progressives. He needs an exorcism but is not about to get one. Prefers to wallow in it. It doesn't matter what the topic he somehow works in a rant about progressives. Absolutely possessed by them 24/7. The topic could be about tulip arranging and he'd have to go off on progressives. He's a crazy conservative nut. Loco.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 4:07 pm
Posted by Matlock on May. 21, 2013 @ 5:22 pm

Too funny! Guest, you totally nailed what matlock's all about!

Posted by Greg on May. 21, 2013 @ 8:30 pm

Yes, conservative true believers like left wing true believers have much in common.

In this case progressives move to SF because they know they can't save the people where they came from with their crazy. In SF the old timers have no time for progressive idiocy. Strangely progressives like to rant about San Francisco values, values that they brought from some other place.

You can try and turn it back on me or whatever your point was, but you know I'm correct. Look at the leadership of the progressives, Burgman Iowa, Jones and Reedmond some other place, Avalos LA, Campos La, Daly Maryland, Sheriff blow hard Chicago, etc...

The entirety of the progressive brain trust came from elsewhere and then complain that others come here and fuck it up.

Posted by Matlock on May. 21, 2013 @ 5:22 pm

Thank you for the art work at the top of the page Tim. It's very appropriate.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 3:50 pm

Ah, the question of walking around barefoot in a park, thinking about trees. Or spending the days getting high, tuning out and living free. I am not a child of the 60's more like I was born in the 60's, mid 60's.

Not everyone wants to be like a hippie or even a hipster, not everyone cares what goes on in the city, but others like living there. We do have the need to create, but being a artist doesn't really pay the bills. I have know artists who also double as short order cooks, or paint houses.

It is like the people who act for a living, don't they are wait tables.

Posted by Garrett on May. 21, 2013 @ 4:21 pm

And to hell with the trolls.

Posted by Greg on May. 21, 2013 @ 5:58 pm

But at least he gets paid for whining. What's your excuse?

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 6:22 pm
Posted by Greg on May. 21, 2013 @ 8:41 pm

See how the name calling goes?

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on May. 21, 2013 @ 8:57 pm

Right wing trash.

See how the name calling goes?

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 9:36 pm

Their views are revealed.

They think that all you need is for them to explain their views to you and you will suddenly get it and agree. They will blabber out the Chomsky like expert on a given subject and then they expect you to fall in line and agree. Like a born again type referencing the bible to prove the bible.

When you don't agree with them you are either dumb or just doing it to be a pain, thus the "troll" ravings.

Posted by Matlock on May. 21, 2013 @ 10:25 pm
Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 6:19 pm

San Francisco has become a Republican town, by the looks of this board. Been noticing it more and more on tour. No wonder no art comes from there anymore. It is all about money.
Ah, things change.
Wonder where the next progressive scene is? It certainly isn't SF.

SD Musician

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 6:41 pm

you need to go to LA or back east, or of course to Europe, for that.

SF is the world capital of bad art, for whatever that is worth.

And SF used to be a GOP town so it shouldn't shock if it goes back to that.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 7:08 pm

Troll. Another miserable, negative, ignorant, classist troll.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 9:19 pm

resort to abuse as your only tactic.

Posted by anon on May. 22, 2013 @ 6:43 am

Leave and head across the Bay.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on May. 21, 2013 @ 7:10 pm

You're very perceptive, SD Musician. San Francisco has moved to the right and has become conservative, in part due to rampant gentrification. You could say it's a Republican city but most still are D-partisans and call themselves Democrats, as if that means anything anymore. It doesn't. Just like Obama calls himself a Democrat yet his policies are to the right of Republicans Bush/Cheney. D/R = two wings of the one party corporatist pro-war system of corporate fascism (where the corporations run the government).

"Wonder where the next progressive scene is? It certainly isn't SF. "

I agree, unfortunately. There's nothing progressive here any longer other than lip service and empty words on the odd occasion. What I'm seeing more and more of here in SF is hate. And this forum is also very representative of that (although some people on here who pretend to live here don't).

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 7:27 pm

like Oakland or Detroit? Surely you'd be happier there.

Posted by anon on May. 22, 2013 @ 6:44 am

You the same 'SD musician' runs

Posted by pete moss on May. 22, 2013 @ 10:48 am

These people's lives are so meaningless, so alienated, that all they have is the power to aggravate others; like the monkeys screeching at each other in their cages.

Posted by lillipublicans on May. 21, 2013 @ 9:08 pm

Look into the mirror - you're the King Kong of the site.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on May. 21, 2013 @ 9:24 pm

Big Talker, do you EVER take your own advice or can you not afford a mirror?

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 4:27 am

I get your point and agree, but don't put down monkeys as I'm sure that their screeching at each other has a meaningful purpose in their language (probably a heated debate of some sort). I like and respect monkeys. I cannot stand these ignorant, miserable, foul, sour, rotted, gone-to-seed, gone-to-pot, know-it-all, arrogant, smug, classist, hateful, parasitic trolls. They serve no purpose at all other than to annoy. They are really that desperate and needy for attention. Toddlers don't require as much attention.

Posted by Guest on May. 21, 2013 @ 9:35 pm

That just leaves Lilli as the biggest troll here.

Posted by anon on May. 22, 2013 @ 6:46 am

there, so it is hypocrisy to criticize those who come here and refute the more obvious logic errors of the kneejerk left.

Posted by anon on May. 22, 2013 @ 6:45 am

I'd admitted to being a troll. If I wrote back that anon was a liar, my comment would be reported as an ad hominem attack (by multiple duplicate identities) and it would be deleted.

Of course, claiming that someone has admitted to some offense isn't deemed to be an ad hominem attack under the SFGate reporting scheme, so that bold liars such as anon can have their way.

That's why is such a better forum. Here I can simply say: "get fucked anon"

Posted by lillipublicans on May. 22, 2013 @ 11:00 am

But it also tolerates those whom you hate, so it's all equal and fair, right?

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 11:21 am

...Asterisk SF Magazine's last issue.

It is called "ECODOMICS, GENTRIFICATION AND THE AESTHETIC(S) OF THE COMMON(S)" by Ignacio Valero and basically makes the point that the best way to tackle this issue is for both sides to respect and welcome each other and realize that everyone needs to make a contribution to the community and environment they live in for it to thrive.

PS: I do agree with Tim in that Rebecca Pederson sounds disrespectful and ignorant, and she is clearly oblivious to the larger picture.

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 2:59 am

I hope everyone who feels the way this writer Redmond describes finds themselves on the street without a job. If you think like this you need a dose of the real world. Plus, maybe a little walking around in bare feet might get that broomstick out of your ass.

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 10:49 am

This has been troubling me for some time now. Rebecca, I can understand where you are coming from in this message; and as far as the production of artwork is concerned you are correct. As a cathartic endeavor art will remain a valid activity in San Francisco. What will be missing from the San Francisco landscape is the poor artist concerned with philosophical or humanist questions. The "beatnik" is just a name for this prototypical artist in the western world; they have been called "the cafe artist," the "hungerkünstler" and the "bohemian," in the early 20th century. The name changes with times and the modes of their art. Their proponents would surprise you and you are very likely to have read a book by one in school or on your own. It is my opinion that they are a valid, if not vital, part of society. San Francisco has a history of being a home to these sorts of "barefooted" artists and philosophers. This is clearly changing. San Francisco will not lack highly motivated, individuals interested in art. But it will lack this special group of people, which I tend to think are more original and risk taking than hobby artists who view the production of art as "self-improvement" like yoga.

I would be happy to continue this conversation at

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 11:09 am

Is that there are only a handful of tech companies that make and Money at all.... I have more friends that make 200k a year who's companies make NADA, ZIPPO, bagel..

Yet due to their high salaries they assign themselves high worth.. doesen't work that way in SF or anywhere else for that matter.. but you find out just as I many others have.

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 11:33 am

worth. So, for instance, my uncle is worth 3 million but he never made more than 100K a year. So how did he do it? He saved some every month, invested it in property and the stock market, and then retired at age 50 worth 3 million, and lives in a nice SF house with 5 bedrooms, mortgage all paid off.

That's how you do it, and now I just have to figure out how to get into his Will.

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 11:54 am
Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 6:35 pm

fucking white people

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 1:31 pm

beat up on white people. It's a free lunch in a PC world.

Posted by Guest on May. 22, 2013 @ 1:47 pm

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