On KPFA, Gavin Newsom ducks the tough ones

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Gavin Newsom sat down for an hour with Brian Edwards-Tiekert of KPFA's Up Front, and the show is remarkable. Brian was a little less harsh than Steven Colbert, who (properly) said the Gavster's new book, Citizenville, needs "a bullshit detector" and that "everything in there could be carved on a stone and put in someone's garden," but he did a great job putting Newsom's book in the context of state and local politics and he tried valiently to pin the lite guv down -- on anything.

Up Front is on at 7 am, and that's a little early to start on the bourbon (even by my standards), but I was so tempted to do the Gavin Newsom Platitude Drinking Game ... and fortunately, I linked to the recorded archive above to so you do it yourself tonight. Every time Newsom says "engagement," take a shot. Everytime he says "robust," take two. Don't worry -- when he talks about fracking, you'll need to throw up anyway.

Newsom's basic argument is that the public needs to get more involved in government, and that the generation just coming of political age is used to crowd-sourcing and peer-to-peer communication, and that technology can allow politicians to have "a real conversation with the public." (Oh, and he talks about "transparency," although his mayor administration was openly hostile to sunshine and public records.)

Whatever; that's all fine, as far as it goes. Holding virtual "town hall" meetings is a nice idea; asking the public how to solve city and state problems makes good sense. Some people in office already do that.

But the notion that we can fix what he calls a "broken system" entirely by adopting private-sector models and using digital devices ignores (as Brian pointed out repeatedly) the reality of American politics. "Most of society's problems," the KPFA host noted, "are rooted in who has the power."

There are tough issues that require not more "conversation" but real leadership -- and strong stands. If Newsom had "crowdsourced" his decision on same-sex marriage back in 2004, it never would have happened.

Same goes for Prop. 13, prisons v. education, the state's tax system -- and the dramatic divide between the rich and the poor. That and the fact that the state doesn't raise enough revenue in taxes on big business and the wealthy to provide decent services.

Brian notes that the state cut dental care for poor people; "either the money is there for dental care or it isn't." Newsom countered that there's enough volunteer and private-sector help out there to solve all these sorts of problems that the government can't pay for. He's just wrong; there isn't. You cut dental care and people's teeth get worse and worse and some of them get very sick.

His response to the need for more state money? Growth. Same as what the Republicans say. No wonder Newt Gingrich loves the book so much.

Then after ducking questions about Prop. 13, oil severance taxes, and tax policy in general (excpet to say that we need to expand sales taxes -- the most regressive of all -- to cover "services" -- he got to fracking.

Brian asked him about the expansion of hydrofracking in California, and Newsom refused to come out against it. All he said was that "we're not going to do anything that's not done right." Huh? There's a "right" way to do fracking?

You want to throw up what's left of your Newsom Platitude Drinking Game consumption at the very end, when he talks about the Twitter tax break and the cost of housing in San Francisco. His basic message? Bummer that it costs so much to live here. Not much we can do. "It's a challenge," he says, "that's the burden of success."

Success for some. Challenge for others.

Party on.



 

Comments

The leaders of the houses of the state legislature are the second and third most powerful elected officials in the state. The Lt. Governor is a position for an ephemeral occupant, a perfect job for Newsom.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 23, 2013 @ 12:13 pm

years that I know about.

You are older than him and your achievement is that you post here a lot.

Hmmm.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 23, 2013 @ 12:40 pm

Newsom was born on second base and he though the hit a triple.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 25, 2013 @ 8:35 am

Very un-American. Plenty of people born wealthy do not achieve success.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 25, 2013 @ 9:42 am

The only thing not handed to Newsom on a silver platter, the only thing he had to actually make an effort to get, which he did not, was the Governorship.

The only way that Newsom becomes governor is if Brown dies in office.

How did that work out for him?

Posted by marcos on Mar. 25, 2013 @ 9:48 am

He has about 10,000 more times power and influence than you do. So, pretty well, I'd say.

Posted by anon on Mar. 26, 2013 @ 10:20 am

Lt. Governor is a dead-end job.

Can any of you remember the name of even one of these little pawns?

I remember Mike Curb. He was a stock car driver who served during Jerry Brown's first administration. Said the job was too boring so he quit.

Herr Greaser will sink into oblivion. He doesn't understand that yet.

Posted by Troll the XIV on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 9:24 am

Lt. Governor is a dead-end job.

Can any of you remember the name of even one of these little pawns?

I remember Mike Curb. He was a stock car driver who served during Jerry Brown's first administration. Said the job was too boring so he quit.

Herr Greaser will sink into oblivion. He doesn't understand that yet.

Posted by Troll the XIV on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 9:24 am

If not always for the right reasons. He's San Francisco's only political rock star, if you discount DiFi and Pelosi on grounds of senility.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 9:37 am

Colbert slapped Newsom down so hard that he'd be lucky to pass the Spinal Tap test.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 9:53 am

There's got to be a better musical simile than that.

How about corporate organ grinder? ... or maybe the monkey?

Posted by lillipublicans on Mar. 23, 2013 @ 12:27 pm

Cruz Bustamante. He was god awful.

Posted by The Commish on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 10:29 am

It's here to stay and we will never go back to the annual 60%+ property tax increases of the 1970s, no matter how much Tim mewls about how wonderful things were back in the day.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 11:10 am

All past expiration date.

All three are jokes.

Posted by matlock on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 5:37 pm

Matt Gonzales said "No" when I asked if he was sure he didn't win the vote against 'no care, no cash' Gavin...which he did on election day, even against the lies of the SF Chronic liar, attributing to 'shoot-em-and-Newsom' the proposals Matt was putting forward...but the absentee ballot boxes found in the bay after the public power vote a couple years before came floating back in to sink a Green Mayoral victory...If the Lt. Gov is for the demonic fouling of our water table it's obviously to pay back the oil money that fronted his mayoral campaign headquarters...after Getty Oil's Aloha Petroleum helped start the first oil war by buying up W's Harkin Oil leases in the Gulf to spare the grandson of Hitler's banker the loss of his fledgling bin Laden spawned fortune..

Posted by Greg Allen Getty on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 7:48 pm

that same question.

Posted by matlock on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 8:05 pm
Posted by Guest on Mar. 22, 2013 @ 8:26 pm

Dude, that was 10 years ago. The guy never amounted to anything politically. He's a 50 year old collage artist (okay, nearly 50). Ancient history.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 23, 2013 @ 2:42 pm
Posted by Guest on Mar. 24, 2013 @ 9:28 am

Isn't Gonzalez working as the #2 with PD Jeff Adachi, who is one of the few credible progressive politicians left in SF? If Adachi ends up in another job one day (supervisor?), the betting money would be Gonzalez wins the election for PD, assuming he wanted it. Regardless, very, very few people make it to county supervisor or become a credible mayoral candidate, which speaks to his accomplishments far beyond those of anyone who posts here has ever achieved, or will ever achieve. Any trash talking is likely pure jealousy, political rivalry, or perhaps some poor soul whose friendship or love was unrequited but they still carry around spiteful bile to make nasty remarks on a public forum.

The SF left has few credible political voices left. His endorsement is still valuable, which few people could match, and I suspect his discussions behind the scenes with other credible progressives and political figures are more relevant to the city than what we read here or on sfgate.

If this post is meant to be trashing the aftermath of the 2003 mayor's race, get a list of people who participated in the campaign and find out what they've done afterward. If they've ended up on sfgate or here posting dozens of times a week, you know they're the ones who've squandered whatever goodwill and enthusiasm that was part of the campaign, probably just how they squandered their lives before 2003 as well. But that campaign volunteer list may also show dozens of names who are working in government and private organizations focused on important issues like housing, transportation and other social issues. If I were Willie Brown, Rose Pak and any of their moneyed backers, I'd be fairly worried about an invasion of the body snatchers scenario from volunteers from the Gonzalez campaign who are increasingly getting more budgetary and policy responsibility as they move up the ranks. I suspect Gonzalez may have a few remaining political and personal relationships with some of these bureaucrats, and we all know that personal influence is more powerful than organizational or political influence.

Since we've been reading lots of posts lately that use the word "thoughtful," if there was ever a recent politician who helped give credibility to "thoughtful progressives" it was Gonzalez. Before that the main political rhetoric from the SF left was mostly about how "bad and evil" the other side was, which made progressives come across as reactionaries and haters, much like many of the posts here.

Assuming this post is by someone hoping Gonzalez stays out of local politics forever since he and his colleagues were quite effective when running the BOS - and there's no worse threat to the status quo than having effective progressives runnng the city - I'd sleep with one eye open since I think many of us would like to see people like Peskin, Daly, and Gonzalez back within the "city family" running one department or another. For example, we all know Daly would accomplish a hell of lot more for a lot less money if he was running the SF Housing Agency than Dufty or whomever the mayor appoints there. And there are a half-dozen departments Peskin could run more effectively than the current administrators. Just because someone isn't in the public's eye on a day-to-day basis doesn't mean they won't be involved more one day, or at least we can hope.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 23, 2013 @ 5:55 pm

Guest labors under the misapprehension that just showing up with progressive ideas and a general favorable last impression translates to running competitive and winning an election.

That approach did not work when Gonzalez got in with the Kamikaze crowd within the Green Party that thought that just showing up and being really mad at the Democrats and having some progressive ideas was an idea worth destroying the party over.

We know what worked 14 years ago, it was organizing across neighborhoods on issues important to voters and using runoffs as a focus to build broader organizing. Gonzalez did not lead any of that organizing, but he was the beneficiary of it.

We know that Gonzalez refused to carry on the organization that started in 1998/9 with the Ammiano races, grew in size in 2000 and expanded yet again in 2003. After Daly's reelection in 2006, progressive fortunes have dwindled.

There are green shoots of organizing that are emerging, on development on the waterfront, on the MTA's parking meter grabs, on the Rec and Park privatization agenda, on antigentrification in the Mission and, of course, fury at Muni.

The problem with Gonzalez at this point is that nobody can really trust him or Adachi for that matter, what with the ham handed libertarian billionaire dream pension reform measures.

I generally agree with Daly on rough political direction and would love to see him running the SFHA, but does anyone think that a candidate who ran on the platform of putting Chris Daly in charge of the SFHA could win an election?

Posted by marcos on Mar. 23, 2013 @ 11:01 pm

have been a Supe except for district elections and gerrymandering, plus some dubious "on the ground" tactics. Moreover, the demographics of D6 have changed to the point where "hopeless lefty" Walker got trashed by the more moderate Kim. Same thing in D5 where voters again moved to the center.

If progressives cannot even hold D5 and D6, they cannot make much impact city-wide, a fortiori.

You had your few years of fun, but it was always doomed. The average SF voter has no time for class warfare, and sees Newsom as a highly effectibe mayor and political leader. I know you hate that but that doesn't make it false.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 24, 2013 @ 9:27 am

Whether or not voters see Newsom/Lee/Pak/Brown as "highly effectibe" or not, the professional progressives have no intention of making themselves relevant to most voters.

The proprogs are covering their asses by making themselves relevant to Newsom/Lee/Pak/Brown, the ones with the money, cutting a separate peace that keeps them afloat while screwing their base.

Any political challenge to corporate rule will not originate from the nonprofits or labor. Odds are that labor and the nonprofits will do all that they can to sabotage any such efforts to prove their loyalty.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 24, 2013 @ 9:38 am

near as left-wing as you would like to believe. As liberal as SF is, when given a choice between a pro-growth Lee and an anti-growth Avalos, they will choose the moderate centrist over the left-winger every time. That has been the case in every mayoral election that I can recall.

The squabbles that progressives have with each other about how best to achieve even a small amount of real power are largely moot, because there quite simply is not a alrge enough constituency of non-centrist voters to ever elect any of them to power.

The closest you came was with the quirky Gonzo and, perhaps against less of a rock star candidiate in Newsom, he might have scraped home. But even then, he probably would have disappointed you, being far more corporatist than you envisage - the "Obama Effect" says that when a lwftie finally does get the job, he moves significantly to the right anyway.

You cannot win when the people aren't behind you, and progressives are very bad at asking ordinary people what they actually want, preferring tot ell them what they should want, thereby losing all credibility.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 24, 2013 @ 12:34 pm

Glad someone else, actually quite a few people, have picked up on the fact that Newsom is full of platitudes and buzzwords (I heard him use "lean in" five times in twenty minutes in one interview). He is desperate to be considered Mr. Modern Man.

I find it disturbing that he "runs" businesses and goes on media tours for his book all while serving as Lt. Gov. If it is such a joke of a job, he should quit, or at least pretend.

Posted by Guest Pontifikate on Mar. 25, 2013 @ 6:02 pm

just the though of him makes me sick to my stomach

Posted by Guest on Mar. 26, 2013 @ 11:04 am

you must know your view is a minority view.

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Wiecej: szybka chwilówka

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Wniosku o pozyczke
Proces wniosku kredytowego jest bardzo szybki i latwy.Wnioskodawca musi otworzyc autoryzowanym stronie internetowej oferujacego pozyczki finansowe spólki. Na tej stronie moze zobaczyc wszystkie szczególy procesu aplikacyjnego, zatwierdzenia transferu pieniedzy i zwrot kosztów z oplat procedur. Wszystkie rodzaje instrukcji dotyczacych pozyczek sa wyraznie wymienione na stronie internetowej. Trudno trwa od dziesieciu do pietnastu minut, aby wypelnic formularz wyplaty pozyczki online aplikacji.
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Posted by CasyTaxyEvags on Sep. 11, 2013 @ 12:10 pm

W przypadku wyplaty wniosku kredytowego zostanie zatwierdzony przez wladze spólki, Executive Support firmy natychmiast zwraca sie do wnioskodawcy, ze jego formularz online zostal zatwierdzony. Nastepnie kwota kredytu jest przekazywana na rachunek bankowy wnioskodawcy w ciagu 24 godzin od zatwierdzenia wyplaty formularz.
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Posted by CasyTaxyEvags on Sep. 11, 2013 @ 2:17 pm

W przypadku wyplaty wniosku kredytowego zostanie zatwierdzony przez wladze spólki, Executive Support firmy natychmiast zwraca sie do wnioskodawcy, ze jego formularz online zostal zatwierdzony. Nastepnie kwota kredytu jest przekazywana na rachunek bankowy wnioskodawcy w ciagu 24 godzin od zatwierdzenia wyplaty formularz.
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Mr Assad told Rossiya 24 the get was as a conclusion of a Russian leadership and not the portent of US military action.

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The US accuses the Syrian government of killing hundreds in a poison-gas denounce in the Damascus suburbs on 21 August.

The supervision denies the allegation, blaming rebels an eye to the attack.

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Russia's transatlantic vicar Sergei Lavrov earlier outlined three foremost phases of Moscow's draft:

Syria joins the Chemical Weapons Seminar, which outlaws the movie and speak of the weapons
Syria reveals where its chemical weapons are stored and gives details of its programme
Experts judge on the specific measures to be bewitched
In his TV conversation, Mr Assad confirmed Syria would send documents to the UN as purposes of the process of signing the chemical weapons convention.

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Syria's President Bashar al-Assad has appeared on Russian TV to authenticate that his outback's chemical weapons will be placed under the aegis cosmopolitan control.

Mr Assad told Rossiya 24 the progressing was as a result of a Russian initiative and not the risk of US military action.

The comments came as the Russian and US foreign ministers advance for timbre talks in Geneva.

The US accuses the Syrian regime of killing hundreds in a poison-gas denounce in the Damascus suburbs on 21 August.

The direction denies the asseveration, blaming rebels an eye to the attack.

'Time object of concord'
Mr Assad told Rossiya 24, the state-run news furrow: "Syria is placing its chemical weapons underwater supranational exercise power because of Russia. The US threats did not force the decision."
Russia's unfamiliar vicar Sergei Lavrov earlier outlined three main phases of Moscow's tender:

Syria joins the Chemical Weapons Diet, which outlaws the production and take of the weapons
Syria reveals where its chemical weapons are stored and gives details of its programme
Experts judge on the specified measures to be entranced
In his TV vetting, Mr Assad confirmed Syria would send documents to the UN as possess of the system of signing the chemical weapons convention.

Mr Lavrov, completing a look in on to Kazakhstan, said: "I am established that there is a fortune on stillness in Syria. We cannot obstacle it permission away."

He did not disclose the ruining of the weapons, which is brown study to be a sticking as regards in Moscow's negotiations with Damascus.

Mr Lavrov is due to examine the script in Geneva with US Secretary of Testify John Kerry, who commitment premier hold talks with UN-Arab Fraternity envoy Lakhdar Brahimi.

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