CCSF board approves report to accreditors amid heavy criticism

CCSF students, faculty, and other supporters swarmed the meeting where the board approved concessions requested by accreditors.
Joe Fitzgerald

Windsong, a 21-year-old City College student, held a sign that read “I love CCSF” while standing along Ocean Avenue last evening, as cars rolled by honking their support for the embattled school.

“I love learning while not being bound by the four-year school structure,” she said. She’s an artist in residence at a local elementary school, and was protesting to make sure City College of San Francisco could give her students the same opportunities she had.

“This place is in my heart,” she said. And she wasn’t alone.

Nearly 200 protesters lined the building outside of City College’s board of trustees meeting last night as the CCSF Board of Trustees approved the school’s “Show Cause” report, which is a 220-page document detailing what the college has done to meet its accreditation requirements -- accreditation is required for a college degree to have worth, and for a school to receive state funding.

In short, it’s a document arguing what the college has done to improve since it was hit with sanctions last October, and why it should stay open and accredited. The report is due to the accreditation commission on March 15.

The Accrediting Commission of Community and Junior Colleges hit City College with a “show cause” sanction, citing a lack of progress in six problem areas the school was supposed to address since its last accreditation review six years before. When the accrediting commission came back to check on the school, it concluded City College had yet to address key areas, including measuring Student Learning Outcomes, and adequately funding their reserve, a “rainy day fund” the college leans on in hard times.

City College said that it has now met the challenge of those key problem areas. “We were deferring maintenance, and deferring (upgrading) technology,” said board president John Rizzo. “We’re required to spend money, and this gives us a plan going forward.”

But the shouting protesters outside the meeting and the angry students inside disagreed with some points of the plan. Proposition A was a parcel tax measure approved by voters in November that would raise somewhere between $14-16 million City College annually, which the board wanted to use to beef up the college’s reserve fund, one of the key areas where they were knocked by the accrediting commission.

California Federation of Teachers president Joshua Pechthalt implored the board to use Prop A funds for current teachers. “The men and women who work in this college spent many hours taking money out of their pockets to pass Prop A,” Pechthalt said in public comment to the board. The audience of about a hundred or so faculty and students cheered. “I would ask you to work closely with faculty and staff, that you work collaboratively with them.”

Pechthalt was there at the behest of Alisa Messer, the president of City College’s American Federation of Teachers Local 2121. Teachers at City College have had wage freezes for years, and most recently had an 8.8 percent wage reduction just this past month.

Part-time teachers were hit too, as nearly 40 of them were “not rehired” for the current semester, as well as 18 counselors and 30 members of the college’s staff..

Student Martin Madrigal, a 29-year-old mathematics major at CCSF, said he also supported using the Prop A funding to prevent layoffs and wage reductions.

“I missed class to come to this fight,” Madrigal said to the board. “But if I didn’t come here there wouldn’t be a class to miss.”

One by one, faculty and students implored the board to use Prop A funds to buffer the college’s wage reductions and layoffs. At one point, student Eric Blanc, a member of the protest group Save CCSF, came to the podium to speak in public comment and was cut off by the board. Ten or so other students and faculty had yet to speak, and were told there was no longer time.

Blanc then demanded of the board his time to speak. The campus police chief, Andre Barnes, and an officer approached Blanc and tried to remove him from the room. The tension in the room mounted as the audience started chanting “let him speak, let him speak!”

Trustee Rafael Mandelman diffused the situation, asking for silence and calmly explaining that the board needed time to conduct its business. Tensions rose again though as the topic of the college’s reserve fund came up -- the reserve is now at $4 million, but the school is planning to boost it to $13 million by 2014, and $18 million by 2019.

It’s a needed safety net, the trustees argued, for a school with a budget hovering at more than $200 million a year and an economy that’s in the tank.

“Tomorrow the sequestration will begin, and it will impact California spending and our communities,” Trustee Steve Ngo said. “This [money] is going to faculty and staff, but in the future. Faculty and staff would not have to take cuts in wages, if we had funded the reserve.”

Ultimately, the board voted to approve its long term reserve fund plan, using Prop A funds to help buffer the reserve for the future. Blanc told the trustees that they had denied themselves other options, like suing the accreditation commission, or asking for emergency funding from City Hall.

“I think behind the rhetoric of this are thousands of people being shut out,” he said.

Vice Chancellor Peter Goldstein, who handles college finance, said that some of the claims of the protesters were inaccurate.

“I keep hearing people talking about cutting classes,but that’s not our plan for [fiscal year] 13-14,” he said. “In fact, this college is putting together a budget for next year that will have more classes than this year.”

The college may not be cutting classes, but it is asking everyone to do more with less. Teachers to teach with less salary, students to fit into larger classrooms, and for classes soon to fit into fewer campuses.

Whether those are improvements or dire straits depends on who you ask.

Video by Joe Fitzgerald:


Save CCSF plans to march to City Hall to demand aid to CCSF and to protest austerity cuts at the college on March 14. For more information visit

Click here to read City College’s 220 page “Show Cause” report:


than make cuts everywhere and end up with mediocrity.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 02, 2013 @ 11:01 am

The accreditation commission did not question the quality of educational programs at City College. Problem: the college budget was reduced by $54 million over the past four years. The college administration and board decided to continue to serve as many students as possible with classes and services --- and even funded special programs while cutting all other aspects of the budget to the bone. Most vacancies remain unfilled. Freeze on new hires.

The result: 92% of what remains in the budget now goes to salaries. Maintenance and repair of buildings and facilities are not funded. Then in mid-year, the state took back several million MORE from CCSF. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.

So now, it appears from comments here that there are some who resent the decision that the administration and board made to continue serving as many students as possible? And you think that teachers, etc. are paid too much? You are blaming the teachers? This is a sad statement. I wonder if the comments here are made by San Francisco residents .. .because these comments do not reflect the best interest of San Francisco residents --- at least that's how it seems to this SF resident.

I hope the Board of Trustees rises to the occasion and does the right things --- we need City College of San Francisco and all the resources it brings to our fine city!

Posted by Guest on Mar. 02, 2013 @ 3:55 pm

It's never enough. Never enough for big businesses or for big labor. More, more, MORE!!

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Mar. 02, 2013 @ 4:10 pm

More money from who? I'm poor.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 02, 2013 @ 7:32 pm

since most of them understand they'll never own property here anyway. So parcel tax increases regularly receive approval. I've no doubt CCSF will be back begging for more soon.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Mar. 02, 2013 @ 9:56 pm

tenants. It makes for better democracy.

SF is actually betetr than Oakland and Berkeley, and the parcal taxes aren't as bad. But they should ALWAYS pass thru to tenants.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 9:20 am

They should NEVER pass through to tenants. Landlord leech scum should have to pay their fair share.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 1:22 pm

more successful than you.

Passthru's for tenants are standard, and make for better deomcracy - you shouldn't get to vote for thinks you don't have to pay for

Posted by Guest on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 2:07 pm

with your attitude I have a feeling if it hasn't happened already - it soon will.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 2:39 pm

as much to do with WHO the tenants are as the rent they are paying.

A landlord may tolerate low rents if the tenants are quiet, respectful, look after and improve the place and generally do not cause problems.

But you often get the tenant who is essentially an asshole, and constantly asserts his "rights" and acts like he knows you can never get him out so he can get away with unreasonableness.

For the latter category, it can be worth Ellis'ing just to see the shit-eating smirk wiped off his face. The fact that you make a few hundred grand at the same time is just a bonus.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 2:57 pm

I am a San Francisco Resident. Yes. I think the administrators and faculty and staff made a mistake 6 years ago to NOT make cuts in non-core subjects. They should have invested in building maintenance, technology etc. Yes. I think the teachers, especially the ones teaching non-credit classes are paid too much and they should be paying half of their health cost benefits cost if they work half time. The retirement benefits formula is ridiculous. If we do NOT modify it NOW, it will bankrupt San Francisco. ACCJC, please yank accreditation from CCSF and let the college close.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 10:23 pm

The trustees (Wong, etc.) obviously cannot read a balance sheet.

They thought being a CCSF trustee would entail collecting a small paycheck whether or not they attended meetings (poor attendance records are well-documented)...and they could use the sinecure as a stepping stone to higher political office.

The shite hath officially hit the fan.

Step One: Make sure students actually pay the $40 per unit they are supposed to fork over. Nobody had been keeping track of this for years.

There were no adults in the room. No ship captain.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 02, 2013 @ 9:18 pm

I love how these teachers moan and bitch about pay cuts, but care less about the rising fees, books, tuition, and any other bullshit costs they can stick to the students. How does it feel to wake up in the real world, not the bubble of CCSF where your pay, your job is not immune to the economy all the students must deal with every-day? Just like Obama vacationing, like his wife at the Oscars like she is some star. Marie Antoinette telling us to eat cake, but when the teachers have to make just a little less, they are angry and desperate to make someone else pick up the onus. You students can pay more I mean you can ask the govt. for more financial aid, but when the gravy train comes to an end, then what? But, you know the real kicker? The real giant ass elephant in the room, all this college for what, the no jobs out there, well, thank the liberal teachers for brainwashing you all into voting for the bed you are about to sleep in, a nation broke, no jobs no money, just IOU’s. Empty promises, all the while these teachers making money from your future your taxes, and if you’re not paying now you will be soon as you start working if you’re lucky. While you students are fighting for scraps these teachers want more, and more. They want to keep their homes, standard of living and hope you do not wake up from the liberal brainwashing of many decades. They do not want you to take the red pill; if you do then they might not be able to keep sucking the tax payer dry. Students do not pay rent or have bills, they deserve less than teachers. Just take more classes and remember in the end there are still no more jobs.

Posted by John on Mar. 02, 2013 @ 11:02 pm

John, please go masturbate to your copy of Atlas Shrugged.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 1:24 pm

Isn't it ironic that Ayn Rand's predictions are coming true almost to the letter, you can use her as the staple put down for conservative thinking but at the end of the day this is what built the greatest nation of earth. CCSF needs to apply these ideals and they would not be in the shape their in now. As to masturbate how childish you make comments like that if it was funny one be one thing but your comment is just dumb. CCSF is in trouble which means the students lives could be ruined, many depend on this student aid, and want to build a future this forum is not aobtu snipping, it is about giving iedas, but see you are the typical reactionary liberal that has run CCSF into the ground, if anyone thinks different shut them down. Oh, they say they love free speech, yet they make sure their policies and rules stifle independent thought. A rose by any other name is still a rose, CCSF is huge and thousands of people are trying to make better lives for better pay to enrich themselves and their families, poor many that have no other options and you offer your childish remarks? How proud you must be, when people are in threat of losing the ability to learn and better themselves.
It is because of people like you, bullies, punks similiar to the teachers at CCSF that say one thing then do another. And what book have you written, that has changed the world or at the very least provoked thought, you and liberals rail against Ayn Rand, the same people that supposedly support women, and how do you treat a person that escaped communism and loved America? Like some criminal, you and CCSF have proven that we are in danger of losing this nation when the very places like colleges that were meant to foster free thought, and ideas are instead places where getting paid for doing nothing a la Soviet Union is the status quo. So I ask CCSF who is John Galt?

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 11:35 am

from commenting while inebriated.

Down with stupidity!!!

Power to the thoughtful!!!

Posted by San Francisco Anti-Stupidity Campaign on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 12:19 am

Anyone can see even drunk CCSF is being run into the ground, yes, I make grammatical errors, not because I'm dumb, but because I made the mistake of not correcting them. However, if you would read my comments and understand the crux of my point(s) you would see that I offer debate not childish snipping it seems to me your major and only offering is to attack those that you do not agree with. Instead, of pithy monikers why not offer some ideas, or is it you have nothing to offer, but attacks? CCSF is part of the long line of canaries in the coalmines of wasted taxpayer dollars where staff and teachers blithely offer jocular comments and acrimonious, bellicose and pugnacious words to protect their standings. So, next time you think correcting my grammer or calling me stupid, try instead to offer ideas to make CCSF better.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 12:02 pm

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Posted by on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 2:27 am

When you say the accreditation commission then why are we talking about teacher pay cuts? You are trying to obfuscate the truth, like move on everything here is fine, it is not. CCSF is a large sucking toilet that cannot spend money without massive waste, who has been watching the watchers? Seems to me it is always about money, the people running this school should be in prison with the teachers that put politics before education. And they all do, trust me they all voted Obama to protect their interests, but now they seem to be only looking out for themselves, seems funny actually hypocrisy, Obama said teachers did not get it on their own, so then students need help, and that help is money. So, where from, we raised taxes, we have millions leaving state, more people are now on welfare than working here in California this is a fact, you allow illegals to take citizens places, ESL courses, free food, free this free that, yet teachers help enact this spending but when it comes time for these greedy hogs to help pay, they cry and cry. I guess the question needs to be asked even if this incredibly, mismanaged school does not close what real changes will occur? What bang for the buck are the people going to get, more political and obvious bullshit? I mean if you cannot run a simple community college with plenty of money, why should we throw more money at a problem that never changes? Why not fire all of them, no tenure means lower and competitive pay, then, hire cheaper teachers in an economy that has taken such a hit why are we paying these people so much? Everyone else has to suffer why are they immune?

Posted by John on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 6:14 pm

No pension and healthcare costs, and the ability to fire them quickly if things continue to go south.

Maybe we offer to save their jobs if and only if they resign and sign back on as contract staff?

Posted by anon on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 6:26 pm

CCSF is not a research university. What does a teaching professor do once they achieve tenure? Answer - as little as possible.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 7:10 pm

I have an idea fire ALL the teachers, especially the tenured, and ALL the staff, then hire undocumented teachers and staff, because no one is illegal right? This way we can pay a fraction of the pay, every other sector is doing it, and the teachers here support undocumented citizens so this will be supported by teachers, this and get rid of the ESL classes save more money because the teachers will be speaking Spanish, it is a win win for ALL!! Problem solved. And then the teachers can go on Food Stamps and welfare since they don’t mind the students having to get financial aid should be good enough for them too.

Posted by John on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 6:37 pm

In any job when you fail you get fired, teachers cannot hide behond their Unionthugs and say we care, YOU cannot use excuses, SF citizens need to see the fraud, corruption and pure nepotism and liberal bias CCSF teachers spew daily, indocrinating students as ignornat minions to do their bidding.

They brainwash students into divide and conquer mentality, to protect their insane pay and benefits, teachers get paid too much, benefits, vacations, 8 moths or less working, perks, and to do what? Teach? No, that takes a backseat to their PC agenda.This is the result of decades of staff found stealing money, getting contracts to build gleaming ziggurats and facilitate social programs to again ensure their agenda. When teaching takes a backseat to their paycheck we need new teachers, break their thug union, make them work for apy.
They complain they work hard, well I challenge them to say minimum wage earners work less, yet they deserve more, why?

They think having a degree makes them special? They do, but they got theirs and they think anyone who does not have that pieceof paper deserve less, and maybe but these students ARE trying to get that piece of paper too. And what is in the way is the cost, why? Becuase these greedy pigs are taking 92-96% of the money, sounds like Detroit, Post Office all dying because of these pigs do not want to suffer liek the rest of us.
They say they support the students, they say they care, but when it comes down to real support liek a minor pay cut they cry and complain and moan. See, the truth, see the real caring? Take theirs, not ours. Make them pay more, now us. Make them fight for space, financial aid, but don't make us. Just give them more, more, and more. Teachers should be made to take a pycut from their overblown, lucrative salaries and perks, and benefits. Everyone esle in America has sufferd and are suffering why are they special?

Posted by Guest on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 9:25 pm

"This is the result of decades of staff found stealing money, getting contracts to build gleaming ziggurats"

What gleaming ziggurats did staff build?

I should like to visit these gleaming ziggurats and pay homage to the mysterious staff that built them.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 03, 2013 @ 10:08 pm

"This is the result of decades of staff found stealing money, getting contracts to build gleaming ziggurats and facilitate social programs to again ensure their agenda."

I interpret the author refers to the 3 major building completed in the last 6 years; the Mission Campus, the Chinatown Campus, and the Multi-use Building on Phelan Ave.

These building were built with Bond money raised in 2001 and 2005 in the order of 100 million each piece. These were built when the reserve was already very low. A more sensible approach would have been to raise money to shore up existing infra-structure and upgrade computer systems and equipment . After these were build, there were very little money to maintain these buildings. A good example would be to take a tour of the bathrooms in these brand new buildings. Even third world countries have cleaner bathrooms for their colleges.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 4:30 pm

Did they not teach you how to properly pluralize and capitalize words in your ESL class?

The staff did not build anything. The Board put bond measures before the voters who approved them and agreed to finance them through property taxes.

The voters also put into office corrupt members, some of whom, Berg and Wong, still linger. Voters have been replacing the corrupt members with community folks. But the entrenched upper and middle management of the Berg/Day era has not been easy to dislodge.

I've been to universities in the global south and not all of their crappers are not crappy.

I'll trust your political assessments more when you demonstrate a grasp of the language in which you are trying to communicate them.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 4:51 pm

makes marcos seem a bit nativist, no? Funny that Texan marcos has so glibly stabbed at others for having issues with racism.

Don't expect marcos to simply stick to issues and deliver an uncorrupted version of the truth, because that's not likely to happen

Posted by lillipublicans on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 10:36 am

For those that have nothing tangible to say is to debase grammer, etc. you want to obfuscate the real issues.

Yes, overtly the staff DID build those "ziggurats", by not challenging them as they do other spending akin to passing the buck they allowed it, therefore sanctioning it. They are vociforous in their actions when it benefits them where were these watchers when it did not directly affect them, but instead took away well needed and better spent money?
As to my not capitalizing ESL, maybe it was on purspose to show my disregard for classes offered at the expense of much needed classes for citizens? Or, maybe I made a mistake, but let us instead focus on the minutia?
And as to say the voters are to blame creates scape goats intead of holding those peoples feet to the fire and responsible for the job they were paid well to do. And many would say there is plenty of blame to go around from upper, middle to lower management.
As to the status and quality of "crappers' on other places that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China, in other words we are talking about the quality of bathrooms here, not comparing apples to oranges. There is no excuse for not having toilet paper in bathrooms at a school this size with the money they are given, for basic supplies. I wonder if the teachers lounge or bathrooms have this problem? Remember, as long as the trains run on time saying? Well, whether it is Mussolini or anyone else, who cares ast long as the toilets run on time?

And as to my political assessments, they are truths and based in facts not some esoteric or arbitrary BS.

Whether, in English, o en Espanol, yo puedo debatirle y golpearle en el uno o el otro. So, let us not forget the forset for the trees, shall we? CCSF needs change not personal snippings.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 12:32 pm

disciples who regularly steal the tp. Oftentimes, they put it all in the bowl and flush just to prove how disfunctional government is.

As for Mussolini and the trains, I used to believe that until someone pointed out that Mussolini didn't so much make the trains run on time, but made it extremely unadvisable to *say* otherwise.

Posted by lillipublicans on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 12:41 pm

Again off target this is not about snipping, it is about offering ideas, but as to Ayn Rand readers, the book makes sense, obviouslt you never read it, if you did you would see what is going on at CCSF was forseen in her book.
Also, making up BS just shows what you have to offer, nothing. do you really care about CCSF or are you more concerned with making personal attacks?

And you are ignorant ot what the sayign means making the trains run on time, let me put it simply for you since you do not understand it, like the philosopher said the man is more concerned about the pebble in his shoe, in other words people care more or often about what directly affects them in their daily lives. No one cares how it is done just do it. CCSF is at a point where they cannot function to their charter, teaching. So, instead of being ignorant and argumenative why not offer some constructive ideas?

And what is it about SF people? Anytime someone thinks different you people attack? Are you so afraid and self concious that need to snipe and attack anyone that thinks different? What motivates your hatred or hostility? For people that say they are so tolerant I have never seen such intolerance and hostility? And always cloaked as bad humor too.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

We cannot afford third-rate institutions, even if they were not corrupt and staffed by over-paid teachers.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 5:56 pm

Everything you mentioned apply.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 6:58 pm

Everything you mentioned apply.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 7:00 pm

Teachers are making an average of $60,000 per year PLUS health, dental, vision, and more.
Teachers cannot be fired like YOU and ME, they have a teachers union that insure even bad teachers cannot be fired.
Teachers do want paycuts when every other sector except a handful have taken pay cuts, lay offs, and altogether loss of health insurance and are now looking forward to Obamacare, which I might add they are immune to, ironic since the teacehrs here helped vote him in.

Teachers at CCSF say they are getting lower than the SF cost of living, this is a lie, they are being paid the highest wage in the nation for community college teachers, and while many ldo not even live in SF.

Teachers at CCSF have been warned for years to get their house in order, but have refused thinking they are too big to fail sound familiar? Like banks they expect us to bail them out when they mismanange our funds, again our money.

Teachers at CCSF have used the campus to teach liberal politics and now are ironically reaping the fallout of overextending their reach. While funding ESL, green programs, GBLT programs, and everything under their umbrella of liberal political leanings have diminshed their main goal to teach core studies and make sure there are enough of those classes.

CCSF teachers were no where to be heard in opposition when they passed bond measures to fund new buildings and campuses all the while knew the school could have spent this money in more advantagous ways.

CCSF teachers feign empathy and ally themselves with students but their support stops when it comes to real action like allowing paycuts so students don't have to pay more.

CCSF teachers would have you think they work so hard, but I can guarantee you if you asked them to trade with a worker from Burger King, Starbucks, or McDonalds there would be no takers.

CCSF teachers say they do a great job, yet enrollment has fallen, which is saying something in an economy like we have had and are having where people usually go back to school after losing jobs and looking forward to the financial aid to make ends meet, this is quite astonishing.

CCSF has cut classes and summer school in the past, throwing students into complete chaos and having complete disregard for their lives, goals and needs. Offering words and worthless platitudes in exchange for the loss of time and money.

CCSF teachers say we are not to blame the decisions are being made by others, yet they make sure the decisions made by the teachers union on their behalf are approved by them. And this is to be in their benefit for more pay and benefits.

CCSF teachers fail to tell you, after you graduate, and IF you find a job the tax debt and burden YOU are being straddled with is because of teachers not wanting to take paycuts or cuts in retirement benefits. But, hey who cares as long as they tell you they are your friends all the while they have their hands in yout pockets.

And, lastly nothing is free. Schools like CCSF are giving you financial aid, but remember this money comes from where? The tree out back? The sky? No, it comes from tax payers, and who are they? YOU, California residents, who are moving out of the state by the hundreds of thousands, meaning YOU will be paying MORE in taxes out of YOUR paycheck, so CCSF teachers can still make more, and retire very nicely. While YOU get to fight for scraps.
Answer? If you close CCSF the current contracts are null and void, the new ones will be less generous, and less tax for you and me. Sound good? Yes, because then the new hired teachers will be more competitive and that means better teachers. Win win for you and me.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 2:49 pm

THis is another example of how CCSF and its supporters act, you disagree or have something you want to say, you cannot, no such thing as free speech at CCSF, so you think my comments are stupid that is your right, I invite you to say whatever you want, I will be the aslt person to stop you, but never will you tell me to NOT excercise my free speech, see the right of free speech in America is not limited ot what does not offend you, this is how CCSF works with their rules that trump the Constitution, see I have an axe to grind with them, and instead of violence or soemthing illegal I do it out by excercising my free speech, someone said when you make dissention impossible you make revolution enevitable. I paraphrase of course. But, in a nutshell go f*@k yourself, I will say what I want when I want. Other than that you SF sheeple, Obama voting bully motherf*@ker, go f@*k yourself.
And by the way I got an A, If you really read my posts you would see I do not , no I despise the PC politics of CCSF, where you are under constant hostility for being different, and having to deal with bullies like you, where if you say something different and have an opinion that is not part of the brainwashng you are ganged up on. From bullies quite like you.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 12:26 am

That actually is stupid not funny, it is no original not cute, just dumb, this is not a forum to attack each other, it is for comments on CCSF, the whole point is to make critical comments on CCSF, this is why the school is being shut down, not enough people being heard and really listened to, this is what happens when a small minority make decsions for the many, kind of like Obama voters. So, do you really think I care you attack me? Or what you have to say not very thoughtful or helpful for epople here trying to vet the problems at CCSF, see it is people like you that all too often just attack because you have nothing useful to contribute, So, just because you don't like what I have to say does not mean you ahve anything useful to contribute, I use this teachers names because she is very bias and unprofessional and I'm sure if you ask her she will act as though she is a great teacehr, so if she has nothign to hide then why not let the people of SF see what is going on and let them decide what is thoughtful or not, it is thier right not some nitwit liek you to say what is an important comment or not.

See, I think the people are waking up, you cannot lie to people over and over and tax them into poverty without thme gettting angry and wanting someone to take responsibility, you offer no real advice just critical of me, like the Obama masses that went along with the mob, the cult of personality and this is exactly what is wrong with CCSF, for too long they have had no people putting them in check, like checks and balalnces of our nation, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So, be thoughtful next time before just attacking instead try to be contructive and offce ideas.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 12:41 am

That "Windsong" is an "artist in residence" at a "local elementary school" tells me all I need to know. Better than fiction!

Posted by Chromefields on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 8:28 am

What the fuck, are they outsourcing trolling now to China and India?

Posted by marcos on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 9:00 am

at least grant them equal trolling rights.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 9:56 am

I thought the Supreme Court was fixing to strike down such protections?

Posted by marcos on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 10:34 am

That will be struck down soon by SCOTUS.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 11:01 am

Lincoln, Edison, Einstein did not require college degrees to become history's greatest minds and leaders. We have colleges that do everything but inject intelligence into students minds, and all we have to show for it is declining attendence, low test scores and students barely able to perform on a high scool level.

How did we get to a place like CCSF where millions and millions of dollars are thrown into this abyss of corruption and ineptitude and all we have to show for it are teachers demanding more money, administrators crying we need more, what happened to the time when we exerted our energy to learning and teaching. Instead we have the Panem Et Circenses going on at CCSF arguing and fighting and divided entrenched in vociferous battles from these selfish groups pointing fingers of blame at others.
But we are here, and instead of ideas to fix things they submit a limp report not to really change the status quo, but to appease and fend off the people demanding real change and who's goal is to make CCSF simply do what every other college does, stay in business and be productive. some say that their teaching is fine and that this is not the issue, I beg to differ, with all this diversion and mindless fighting is it a stretch to assume that the clasrooms are filled with teachers trying to indoctrinate their students to support their pay and benefits? No doubt they are being told the teachers are not to blame and they support the students all the while allowing their Teachers Union to protect their pay. Wake up, demand CCSF be closed, re-negotiate contracts and pay that is lower and force teachers to become competitive and fight for their jobs and insurance like everyone else, like every other person in this nation force them to compete and force these hypocrites to be exposed to the laws, and policies they expect everyone else to deal with but that they are protected from. Wonder how long it would be before these liberal facists changeed their minds about allowing illegals to attend CCSF, give them financial aid, build more buildings instead of getting paid, funding silly and bias programs until they say we were wrong. But, they won't our society is collapsing not with a bang but systematically institution by institution insane policy by insane policy, drop by drop. And all the while these liberal, corrupt, brainwashing, Obama sycophants keep supporting the very same policies that is destroying our schools.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 04, 2013 @ 8:27 pm

The show cause report is LIMP alright. We need more people like you to read the report and voice their opinion.

The last excuse from the faculty union was ACCJC was unfair and biased towards CCSF. A new article from SF Chronicle came out today with information on ACCJC. If ACCJC is merely doing their job, then the deficiency is in CCSF.

Now, faculty and students, march to City Hall and see which politician would come out to support CCSF !

Posted by Guest on Mar. 05, 2013 @ 7:48 am

More teachers marching instead of grading papers or helping students, I wonder how many personal days teachers at CCSF take to march or strike or protest? The real answer to the high cost of college is...
Hire undocumented teachers
Create most classes to be online, no limits, not all classes can be online but many, many more can.
Allow more CLEP credits, where students can test out, see the real reason why this is not possible is because these Unions and teachers are tgrying to save their jobs. Make most of these classes online, and allowing test outs and you make the teachers union less powerful, and able to indoctrinate students for political causes.

Why is it i can think up these answers but the people paid cannot?

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 6:21 am

No sure about undocumented teachers. That relates to immigration policy. Online courses and test-outs will be the education trend. Teachers are feeling threatened by new trends.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 8:24 am

where they speak better english than us anyway.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 8:48 am

I assume you mean sarcasm.

Hospitals send x-ray images to India for analysis. It is feasible that schools can sent student term papers for grading. We live in a world of fast internet and mobile devices. What is keeping this from happening is teacher's unions.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 9:56 am

Marking can be done anywhere.

These greedy teachers will do themselves out of a job.

Posted by anonymous on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 10:35 am

I knew plenty of people from India and everyone of them hard working and they do speak better English. I say why not, if they work hard and can do the job for less they deserve it. I care less about immigration status CCSF teachers taught met this, if teachers are so wuick to give up student space to illegals and financial aid, and if they have the grades and work hard, so be it. But, you cannot then turn around and as a teacher say I don't want to be held by the same standards I have zero respect for hypocrisy.
The fact is in the last decade one of their Chancellors was indicted for using funds illegally, then there is the fact they spent crazy money on buildings when they just did not need them, but hey I wonder if there was any favortism giving out lucraditive contracts, and then these contractors hiring illegal labor? Yes, I know for a fact they did. And then there is the programs silly programs that hire consultants to do nothing, but get paid.
I wonder if this was coming out of teachers pay if they would be so loose with the pursestrings? They cannot even keep the bathrooms stocked with toilet paper. Students having to bring their own, wonder if the teachers bathrooms and lounges are stocked. Parking another rip off, but see the staff have their own, not all, but plenty do. All I hear and see is dissention fomenting the policies that CCSF is skilled at, divide and conquer. How is it that so many people in our history can educate themselves at a library or otherwise, but CCSF cannot do it with the huge funds they have access to already? You cannot tell me it is difficult, more online, more CLEP more tutors. How about tutors getting credit instead of pay? Or teachers so zealous about volunteering volunteer their knowledge? Or more book shring, or less making students buy new expensive books because the new edition changed two words? How about less silly useless classes and more English and Math classes that do NOT require volunteering for liberal causes, or any other? How about less activism and more education? How about YouTube classes so working adults or others can learn from home, or how about building less campuses and having all night classes, why not, they have security, open the campus that sits idle all night to classes for working people. I could go on and on but see, this goes against the real priority at CCSF, make money.
All these people care about is running this like a business, but the problem is they cannot even do this right. $40.00 a credit, for what? All the money they get from the Feds and other resources and they still need $40.00 a credit? It is like EBT cards they raise the prices because the govt. is footing the bill. This is also why food prices are so high, so many on food stamps has created a fake bubble, same as education, if everyone had to pay from their own pocket tuition would drop. But since the govt. is paying they squeeze it for all they can get.
CCSF is a debacle, lost in their own agenda, lost is their own greed, lost in the heady mist of no oppostion or competition. Why is their not another community college in SF? Why not some competition? Use the Presdio, use that for a new school, then let the CCSF teachers compete on their merit for positions?
And then there is the foreign students paying much more and taking spots from US citizens, CCSF would rather 100% foriegn students so they could get the higher tuition than US students. Isn't that lovely? The CCSF staff that cares so much, have no probelm letting in students from other nations take away OUR ability to go to school, for money. Always money.
This is the reason and more that CCSF needs to be shut down and everyone fired, renegotiate contracts before we have another Detroit. But, I fear we already do. CCSF Detroit2

Posted by Guest on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 9:56 am

You need to stop this before you hurt yourself.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 06, 2013 @ 10:07 am