Activists slam hollow report on SFPD-FBI spying

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Police Chief Greg Suhr refused to elaborate on SFPD-FBI activities during the Jan. 23 Police Commission hearing.

UPDATE: SUHR APOLOGIZES FOR REPORT The San Francisco Police Department continues to resist meaningful oversight of its partnership with the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. After last year pressuring Mayor Ed Lee into vetoing a strong oversight measure and signing a weaker version, the SFPD last week issued a required report that activists are slamming as “grossly inadequate.”

The Coalition for a Safe San Francisco – which includes civil libertarians and members of Muslim groups and other targets of racial and religious profiling by the FBI – last May stood with Police Chief Greg Suhr and sponsoring Sup. Jane Kim as Lee signed what they called this “historic civil rights legislation.”

But at the time, the activists told the Guardian that the value of the watered-down legislation depended entirely on how it was implemented, particularly in the annual reports on SFPD-FBI operations that it required. To ensure they were specific enough to be meaningful, the coalition says it communicated with Suhr several times asking him to include the number of joint investigations undertaken, how many times FBI requests were denied by the SFPD, and possible violations of department policy and how they were handled.

Instead, when Deputy Chief John Loftus gave the first of these annual reports to the Police Commission on Jan. 23, he spoke for only a couple minutes and said the SFPD was in “full compliance” with the ordinance and a Suhr general order banning surveillance of law-abiding citizens, offering no further details.

“We were very clear with the chief about what we expected to see,” Nadia Kayyali of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, a coalition member, told the Guardian. She also said the report “was slipped on the agenda at the last minute,” despite assurances that the coalition would be notified and given a chance to respond. “It does show a lack of regard for the ordinance and the work that went into it.”

The activists say that Suhr broke his promise to them to include the more specific information that they sought, even after they recently followed up with messages reminding him about that assurance. "I was in the meeting where he said he would," Nasrina Bargzie with the Asian Law Caucus, another coalition member, told us. Bargzie said she was disappointed and dismayed by what the report included, "but we're going to keep pushing on it."

The controversy surrounding possible SFPD-FBI spying on people who haven't violated any laws – which is illegal under local and state law – broke almost two years ago when the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a secret 2007 SFPD-FBI memorandum of understanding placing SFPD officers under FBI command. It seemed to bypass local restrictions adopted after past SFPD scandals involving police spying on political groups.

Suhr tried to quell the controversy by issuing a general order banning officers from participating in surveillance that violates local rules or the state constitution's privacy protections, but activists pushed for a stronger assurance. The Board of Supervisors then voted 6-5 to codify those protections into city law, but Suhr objected and Lee vetoed the measure. A weaker version calling for annual reports and Police Commission reviews of future SFPD-FBI MOUs was approved unanimously by the board.

Now, it appears the SFPD has done little to soften the “trust us” stance that it has taken from the beginning, frustrating activists who had pushed for more, here and in other cities that do domestic surveillance with the FBI.

“These policies are explicit and unequivocal. San Francisco Police Department members and their Joint Terrorism Task Force supervisors are aware of and familiar with these policies,” Loftus told the commission, explaining that the SFPD did its required quarterly reviews in November and two weeks ago, finding nothing to report.

Police Commissioner Suzy Loftus asked if he could “explain a bit more” and Suhr – who was at the stand giving his report as Deputy Chief Loftus (no relation) gave his from the lectern – answered: “All San Francisco police officers are held to the San Francisco Police Department policies and procedures and the policies and laws of San Francisco, whichever is more strict. So depending on wherever they are, their fallback, if you will, is whatever the policies, procedures, laws, ordinances, and all of San Francisco.”

Suhr's answer seemed to satisfy the commission, which defended the SFPD's secretive approach rather than asking any more questions.

“Our officers will not participate in any investigation unless there is a predicate offense that is a violation of the California Penal Code or the United States code, so they will not be involved in random surveillance or random assessments or talking to people,” Commission President Thomas Mazzucco said.

Commissioner Joe Marshall also said he trusts Suhr and we all should too: “I want the public to feel reassured that when the chief says that's going to be the way it is, that's the way it is.”

But the coalition, which includes 79 organizations, was less than satisfied with that answer. In a statement issued today, it wrote, “Deputy Chief Loftus’ report completely failed to provide the information required to ensure the accountability and transparency required under the Safe San Francisco Civil Rights Ordinance. The Coalition calls on the Chief of Police to promptly issue a public written report containing the information he promised he would provide.”

Neither Kim – who sponsored both the original legislation and weaker alternative – nor the SFPD have returned Guardian calls for comment yet, but I'll update this post if and when they do. You can watch the hearing yourself here, with that item beginning at the 48:20 mark.

 

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comes from its leaders violating the civil and constitutional rights of its inhabitants.

There exists a legal framework under which the state can investigate potential criminal activity.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 9:37 am
Posted by Guest on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 9:39 am

the government is catching are those that they create and entrap.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 10:00 am

operate, er, secretly. So having "civilian oversight" to state secrets is effectively compromizing the very thing about spying that makes it effective.

"Probable cause" is a reasonable basis for investigating normal crimes. But for terrorism the standard is "possible cause" because the downside risk is so much greater e.g. 9/11.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 10:30 am

to democracy. Your statement proves that.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 10:47 am

terror threat rather than pretending it doesn't exist. We haven't had a domestic terror incident since 9/11 which tells me that the current polices, whether secret or not, have been effective so far.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 11:18 am

the Supreme Court's decision in Korematsu v. US. They justified the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII by stating the fact that there had been no sabotage or disloyalty by those Americans as proof that there would be future sabotage unless the Japanese-Americans were placed in concentration camps.

You should accept your fascist tendencies. It might make you less angry.

I don't remember any German-American or Italian-American internments, however.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 11:31 am

"terrorism" is a response to crimes, retaliation that would never happen had the crime in the first instance not been committed by us. LBJ admitted it, the US comprised 15% of the world's population but consumed nearly 50% of its resources and had resources of our own. The only way LBJ saw and current policy affirms that "we" can maintain "our" standard of living is to keep "them" in a perpetual state of disenfranchised brutal poverty. If the tables were turned, "terrorism" would be a sacrament.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 11:05 am

Better be careful or the authorities will be spying on you. Your sympathy for terrorists is worryingly suspicious.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 11:19 am

is al-qaida's best recruiting tool.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 11:32 am

"Call me old fashioned..."

Oh that doesn't even begin to cover it! Greg has it correct ("You'd be a model citizen in any authoritarian dictatorship"). So true. You're the same prudish hick that's been infesting this site for the last few days with troll material. You're a troll imposter; an amateur and your troll content is opposed by the Ethics Guidelines of the International Troll Society, of which I am a member. Why don't you move to Topeka instead of insisting on moving Topeka here? You will find trolling there more of a challenge however since you'll be among your "own kind."

International Troll Society Member #12360969212

Posted by International Troll Society Member #12360969212 on Jan. 31, 2013 @ 7:15 pm

What terrorists?

Posted by Guest on Feb. 03, 2013 @ 3:16 am

It is a testimony to the FBI 's crime family staying power that they are still in business
after significant evidence has emerged since 1970 that FBI agents were the principal
architects behind the assassination of President Kennedy and Martin Luther King.
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Watch the banned documentary THE GUILTY MEN
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Watch the 45 minute version

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You do know what to do,eh?

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Posted by Guest on Jan. 31, 2013 @ 9:45 pm
Posted by matlock on Jan. 31, 2013 @ 9:59 pm

Only strange if you are a FBI agent posting trying to create strangeness about my post.
If you had done as I requested you would have seen the explanation that THE GUILTY MEN was made by the History Channel and became the most popular
program in their 9 part series called THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY
It was the 9th and last show. The History Channel pulled it off the air at the request of the FBI and other US Government agencies. The History Channel refuses to sell it though it will sell the first 6 shows in the series.
The program details the evidence for the FBI assassinating President Kennedy.

Posted by Guest on Jan. 31, 2013 @ 10:25 pm

to try and create strangeness about your post. It speaks for itself.

Posted by Whackamole on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 9:59 am

You have nothing to fear from the government and law enforcement agencies if you're doing nothing wrong -- and those agencies aren't, either. But the fact is, as we all know, the FBI, CIA, local cops, and many others have abused their power, framed innocent people (google: Geronimo Pratt), killed innocent people, destroyed innocent lives etc., sometimes by mistake and sometimes intentionally. That's why we have Constitutional rights. It's really pretty simple.

Posted by tim on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 11:45 am

discovers and prevents terror on our mainland have a "whatever it takes" mandate because of the over-riding need to prevent another 9/11.

If tapping someone's phone without a warrant stops that, few Americans have an issue with that, and of course it happens without implicit approval.

Posted by anon on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 12:51 pm

from operating inside the United States, that's the FBI's territory. State surveillance abuses began well before 9/11.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 1:09 pm

that you are fascist who pays lip service to democracy.

More than a "few" Americans have an issue with illegal surveillance. Regardless of that percentage, a popularity contest doesn't determine our constitutional, civil, legal, and human rights.

Abuses of police power by the state have occured throughout the history of the US. The fear engendered by the 9/11 attacks has allowed the government to codify and expand those abuses.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 7:53 am

line for his pro-AQ and pro-terror comments here.

If you don't want to get spied on, don't write that America somehow "deserved" 9/11 on a public forum.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 12:56 pm

Bush II got an intelligence briefing alerting him to 9/11 and he declined to take any steps to prevent it. Perhaps the upsides for his new world order were too attractive to give a shit about 3000 Americans. The system, as it has been said, was blinking red and Bush II blinked.

Perhaps the notion of perpetual war profits for his base was too much to resist.

Sometimes people fight back although we're not used to it.

Given the magnitude of the corpses that have piled up as a direct result of US foreign and military policy from Democrat and Republican alike, it would take one 9/11 of 3000 dead Americans every week for years to even the score. The simple solution is to not butcher others for our comfort and convenience if you don't want to have to deal with them fighting back.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 1:04 pm

knows the the government can read anything s/he writes online, in email, or talks about on the phone, wired or wireless.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 1:11 pm

Certain keywords will trigger their attention.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 1:59 pm

Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 2:15 pm

Quoth Ron Paul:

Osama bin Laden, a wealthy man, left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to join American-sponsored so-called freedom fighters in Afghanistan. He received financial assistance, weapons and training from our CIA, just as his allies in Kosovo continue to receive the same from us today. …

It is during this time that bin Laden learned to practice terror – tragically, with money from the US taxpayers. But it wasn’t until 1991, during what we refer to as the Persian Gulf War, that he turned fully against the United States. It was this war, said to protect our oil, that brought out the worst in him. …

Of course, it isn’t our oil. The oil, in fact, belongs to the Arabs and other Muslim nations of the Persian Gulf. Our military presence in Saudi Arabia is what most Muslims believe to be a sacred violation of holy land. The continuous bombing and embargo of Iraq has intensified the hatred and contributed to more than 1,000,000 deaths in Iraq. It is clear that protecting certain oil interests and our presence in the Persian Gulf help drive the holy war.

Muslims see this as an invasion and domination by a foreign enemy, which inspires radicalism. This is not new. This war, from their viewpoint, has been going on since the Crusades 1000 years ago. We ignore this history at our own peril.

The radicals react as some Americans might react if China dominated the Gulf of Mexico and had air bases in Texas and Florida. Dominating the Persian Gulf is not a benign activity. It has consequences. The attack on the USS Cole was a warning we ignored. …

The hatred has been suppressed because we are a powerful economic and military force and wield a lot of influence. But this suppressed hatred is now becoming more visible and we as Americans, for the most part, are not even aware of how this could be. Americans have no animosity toward a people they hardly even know. Instead, our policies have been driven by the commercial interests of a few – and now the innocent suffer.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 01, 2013 @ 1:11 pm

So you'll probably drop a dime, especially since it will curry favor with the authorities whose asses are permanently connected to your lips.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 9:49 am

anti-americanism appears to extend itself to expressing explicit support and sympathy to middle-east terrorist who have vowed to destroy America and commit violence against us.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 10:16 am

Unresolved daddy issues?

Thanks for the wild turkey and
the passenger pigeons, destined
to be shit out through wholesome
American guts.

Thanks for a continent to despoil
and poison.

Thanks for Indians to provide a
modicum of challenge and
danger.

Thanks for vast herds of bison to
kill and skin leaving the
carcasses to rot.

Thanks for bounties on wolves
and coyotes.

Thanks for the American dream,
To vulgarize and to falsify until
the bare lies shine through.

Thanks for the KKK.

For nigger-killin' lawmen,
feelin' their notches.

For decent church-goin' women,
with their mean, pinched, bitter,
evil faces.

Thanks for "Kill a Queer for
Christ" stickers.

Thanks for laboratory AIDS.

Thanks for Prohibition and the
war against drugs.

Thanks for a country where
nobody's allowed to mind the
own business.

Thanks for a nation of finks.

Yes, thanks for all the
memories-- all right let's see
your arms!

You always were a headache and
you always were a bore.

Thanks for the last and greatest
betrayal of the last and greatest
of human dreams.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 10:28 am
Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 12:28 pm
Posted by Guest on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 12:45 pm

Marcos did none of the things that you list in your comment. You may disagree with his analysis, but to turn him in for expressing his opinions?

You are the perfect subject in a police state, which is good for you because that is the direction this country and, ugh, even this city is headed.

The fact that your attitude is becoming more prevalent here in San Francisco shows how far gone this country is and how far this city has fallen.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 12:25 pm

actions because of American policy. Even expressing support for AQ can now be interpreted as a criminal act, and I suspect that Homeland Security keep an eye on extremist websites like this to see who might be sheltering terrorism or supportin it.

I cannot be sure that marcos is doing that but it could be worth keeping tabs on him.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 12:47 pm

Remember that those who appear to be the most vociferous in support of the regime are often the ones who are targeted because their zeal is artificially high and that makes them even more suspect than the straw man evil like AQ, America's Emmanuel Goldstien.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 12:55 pm

the definition of the word "justify."

You are not as smart as you think you are, but that is apparent to anyone who reads your comments.

You are also useless to the police authorities, but, by all means, share information with them as I'm sure they have nothing better to do.

Stasi-loving troll.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 1:08 pm

Is there a species of internet troll that willfully responds to tangential implications that might be derived from a post instead of a post itself so as to hijack a conversation?

Posted by marcos on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 1:15 pm

those expressed before could be involved in some more serious crimes against the State than merely mouthy empty fawning platitudes about Al Queda.

There are anonymous hotlines to report things exactly like that.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

mentally challenged with great difficulties at reading comprehension. Maybe your level of intelligence passes muster in the right-wing websites you normally inhabit, but you are not doing your beliefs any favor with your comments here.

You have the reasoning ability and critical thinking skills of an elementary schoolchild at best. And I don't mean 6th grade, more like 2nd or 3rd grade.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 4:16 pm

anti-americanism..."

You are the most anti-American commenter on this website.

Fascist troll.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 4:24 pm

the US somehow caused 9/11, and thereby expressed more sympathy for the terrorists who did that than they do the victims of that tragedy.

And, yes, I believe such people should be reported to the FBI because "you never know" - he could actually do more than that.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 4:54 pm

Not only did US foreign policy create the conditions for blowback on 9/11, I contend that Bush and Cheney declined to intervene to stop the attacks given that "the system was blinking red" with intelligence reports pointing to an aircraft attack.

The way to keep Americans from being killed by "terrorists" is for the US to abandon its policies of visiting violent terror throughout the global south. It is clear that this government does not care about the American people, they'd not have stolen our futures from us if they gave a damn, so they're going to continue to paint big red bulls eyes on the national back asking people from the global south to fire at will.

They get off on seeing us in crisis and they get off on the national security state they can profit off of that gets put into place as a result of perpetual crisis.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 5:16 pm

stand-down order or any of the voluminous number of similarly incredible "cooincidences" surrounding this matter.

http://www.infowars.com/dancing-israelis-arrested-on-911-later-sued-the-...

Posted by lillipublicans on Feb. 04, 2013 @ 2:16 pm

More than a 1/4 of Americans believe that 9/11 was caused by the Americans, the Israelis or some other group besides AQ. So you'd have to lock up an awful lot of Americans (approx. 78.25 million people) for their "incorrect" beliefs. As a true American patriot, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." As any school child could tell you, the most basic of American freedoms is freedom of expression. So, if you care about this country, you might want to think twice before snitiching on someone just because they don't think like you, Mr. Politically Correct. I have two words for you, Troll: First Amendment...look it up!

Posted by Guest on Feb. 04, 2013 @ 1:46 pm

and 3/4 of them believe in God.

Since when did what the average American think have anything to do with reality?

Posted by Guest on Feb. 04, 2013 @ 1:56 pm

I didn't say it that what the average American thinks necessarily has anything to do with reality. I said you'd have to lock up millions of Americans if you to go after them for their beliefs. Get it straight, Troll. But I supose you'd enjoy living in a fascist state and watching your friends, family, co-workers -- or just people you disagree with -- being dragged off to massive concentration camps. Stasi Troll.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 04, 2013 @ 2:24 pm

Freedom is a dangerous thing. You can get hurt. But cowards don't like to take chances. They want to sell out their country and values to purchase an imagined safety. You would hand over the rights Americans have bled and died for. Did you know you are 8 times more likely to be killed by Police than by a terrorist? And if you think you have nothing to hide, think again. There are hundreds of thousands of Federal, State and local laws on the books. I guarantee you violate 10 or 20 every day. your the type of coward that wants cameras on every street corner. However, point one at a cop. Even though it is perfectly legal (see Glik), You might not like the 'interest' that garners you from your magnanimous protectors.But you won't stay safe, coward.

Posted by jayduba on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 7:22 am

Really? And what is that guarantee worth if I present to you someone who doesn't break the law? Or is your "guarantee" worthless?

Excuse me if I trust our law enforcement and military agences more than a bunch of crackpot terrorists who hate America and the cowards here who support them.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 12:49 pm

with uncritical adherence to authority and by equating the advocacy for civil, constitutional and human rights to the support of terrorists.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 1:14 pm

criminals and terrorists.

Exactly when did the tradition of political liberalism turn into kneejerk support for the bad guys?

Posted by Guest on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 2:22 pm

Or do you just think that you do in your internet fantasy world?

You listed three groups that are actually the same.

Bootlicker troll.

Posted by Eddie on Feb. 02, 2013 @ 4:19 pm

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