What the fuck, Chuck: No, Ed Lee is not God


So who were the big winners in the election? You could argue Ron Conway; you could argue surprise D5 winner London Breed. But to say it was all about Ed Lee?

Actually, no.

Every one of the initiatives that Lee backed was also supported by the entire progressive leadership on the board and almost every progressive group in the city, and other than Prop. B, there was little in the way of funded or credible opposition. The Yes on C campaign was run by the affordable housing folks, not the mayor. The mayor didn't even endorse Prop. A, the City College parcel tax, until late in the game.

Oh, and the mayor's appointee to the Community College Board? Got clobbered. The guy the mayor wanted in District 7? Out of the running.

The real story here -- aside from the supervisors races, where I don't think any one operation or political alliance won overall -- was the remarkable civic consensus on the ballot measures. If Ed Lee had been out of town all fall, they all still would have won.

I know Chuck thinks the mayor is the greatest ever, but in this case, his impact was at best a wash.





Mar flourished by voting to sack Ross; Olague perished by failing to.

Lee was letting everyone know who is the boss.

And in an election where Democrats did well everywhere, there were a few setbacks for the SF left. Lee is feeling comfortable, I'd say.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 4:20 pm

A wash? The housing fund? The gross receipts tax? They just happened without any intervention from Lee?

Nevius might indeed be considered biased. But if he is, let's say, an 8 on a scale of 1-10 in terms of bias then Tim Redmond is an 800. Nevius is Ted Koppel compared to Tim Redmond.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

C.w.Nevius is no Ted Koppel.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 5:10 pm

Funny, I didn't see Steven Jones include this quote from David Latterman in his most recent article covering Latterman's election wrap up.

"District Five was a stunner," said political consultant David Latterman. "No one thought Breed was going to win. The curse of Mirkarimi continues."

Stand with Ross! LOLOLOLOL.............

Posted by Scram on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

Get real scrammed-brain, when a few billionaires can flood a district with ads attacking someone and make the person come off just slightly better than your average child molester, yeah that was gonna make a huge difference in the results in Tuesday's vote.

Political consultant DL presumably is not a naive fool and knows the impact of flooding such emotional literature in a small district so presumably it was no "stunner" to him - he's just revealing his biases and who he wants business from in the future.

What really would have been a stunner is for a person with nothing close to the financial assets as the billionaire bullies to counter such an attack and who was barely an incumbent to survive such an attack.

If Mar had voted in favor of Ross, the billionaire bullies would have made him out to look like almost a child molestor too. It might not have worked as well since he was a full incumbent (served the whole term) and had more financial resources but it def would have made some difference in the outcome (tho not nec enough to chg the outcome).

Hey scram-brain, what you're really cheering for is the billionaire bullies to be able to control your city govt and who gets elected and not - sounds like you love authority figures so they can do your thinking for them - and you can kiss their ass so maybe they'd like you. A certain govt in Italy and Germany in the 1930's would have loved controllable dummies like you. My condolences to you that GWB couldn't run again in 2008 or this year - no doubt he was your man and you were proud of him when he was starting unnecessary wars and getting on that aircraft carrier in his flight outfit - how big is the picture you have of him on that aircraft carrier in your house?

And condolences to you on your hero, Karl Rove, getting repeatedly lambasted in the media for being the fool he is. Just don't make the mistake again of watching another channel besides Faux - they're perfect for that scram-brain of yours.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

"My condolences to you that GWB couldn't run again in 2008 or this year..."

He did run in 2008 and 2012. His name: George W. Obama. And he has given us an EXPANSION of the Bush policies overall. We're now headed into Bush's Fourth Term in office.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 6:18 pm

Wrong indeed, wrong on which one started wars needlessly (minor detail to you apparently), wrong on quality of Supreme Court picks, wrong on handling of disasters, wrong on how the respective president's policies affect the average citizen, wrong on quality of ppl filling agencies, wrong on etc etc etc.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 8:12 pm

I'm not the "Guest" you initially responded to. I'm a different person and wrote the previous comment you attacked (needlessly). You're very partisan. I'm not partisan. I can't stand either one of them: D or R. And no, I'm not wrong. You're in Denial, a typical trait of partisans in an attempt to rush to defend their "team." "Go, team, go." Rah, rah. Pathetic.

BTW: Bush and the D and R congress began Afghanistan and Iraq when he was physically in office and George W. Obama has continued them. Then Obama attacked Libya and he has droning wars now all over the place killing and maiming innocent men, women, pregnant women and children. That's a fact. There are so many places he's droning it's hard to keep up. And his True Believers see nothing wrong with it or they excuse these barbaric actions. But they would be screaming---as they should be---if it were Bush doing it. Hypocrites. Pay attention rather than living in Denial).

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 12:40 am

There is always some reason why things don't go your way.

It usually boils down to the peasants being too stupid.

So comical that you put so much energy into loathing those you claim.

Posted by matlock on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 6:36 pm

So political flyers and political commercials don't affect voters according to you. Brilliant! So those flyers that hoped to be very emotional with dramatic pics and emotional language to get voters to hate Olague - completely useless!!! So you are finally revealing the truth: those supposed "peasants" are much too smart to ever fall for such obvious tricks!

You sir contain blockbuster info - you alone are gonna sink the tv networks and most of the internet with your groundbreaking research that advertising is a complete scam! Comcast, CBS, Disney, News Corp, Facebook, etc etc - they're done!!! Unfortunately even our SFBG is probably done with too after you reveal the details.

The advertisers freely give those networks billions to run the ads that ppl with advanced degrees create. But acc to you, they're just giving $ away! What dummies!!! Acc to you, ppl are much to smart to fall for any of it.

Brilliiant! Wow - this is gonna upturn the media world (and sink most of it I'm afraid). I guess pledge drives are gonna be the way tv networks get their $ from now on if those dummy advertisers ever find out they've just been giving $ away.

But before you reveal the incredible details, do call SF General and order your meds right away so you'll be in top shape for your big announcement (and check your getting the correct dose).

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 7:48 pm

And are you suggesting that D5 voters are so dumb that they could be bought?

Olague lost because of her stance on RossGate.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 7:29 am

And you, apparently, are suggesting that D5 voters are so dumb that they might be swayed to believe they voted as they did because of some fictitious rationale you pulled out of your back pocket.

Even the *push* *poll* that the DV mavens commissioned had D5 voters ambivalent about Mirkarimi, claiming that voters thought the sheriff should be removed 51% to 46% with 4% undecided.

That was a *push* *poll* and anybody who actually lives in and talks to people in D5 *knows* that it skewed reality towards making it look like such a vote as Olague made would cost her... exactly what you are trying to maintain here.


Posted by lillipublicans on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 7:34 pm

Self-delusion is a very poor basis for public policy lilli. Mitt Romney and Christina Olague have discovered this recently. When will you?

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 8:11 pm

Usually, there is only 100%, but not when you do the calculations, it's 101%

Posted by Fly on the wall on Nov. 12, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

I didn't do any calculations. Those were the published poll results. Your perception of an anomaly may have to do with your difficulty with basic mathematical concepts such as "rounding" numbers.

I do understand you may posses compensatory skills such as being able to detect motion quite well.

Posted by lillipublicans on Nov. 12, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

Latterman an independent observer? hahahahahahaha LOLOLOLOLO

Posted by CitiReport on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 8:56 am

Yes, Alex and David are nice and smart guys, but politically, they run the spectrum from corporate lobbyist to moderate homeowner, the complete spectrum of politics according to SPUR.

Posted by marcos on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 9:22 am

Progs should do well to not align themselves with Mirkarimi.
He is the poster child for domestic violence in SF, and the worst Sheriff in the country.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 6:48 pm

So a person who just started his job is doing it worse than any other sheriff in the country??? You do realize you're making no sense - wait, scratch that, you probably don't if you said it in the first place.

Ya might wanna give him like 6 months or a year and then talk to those who work with him before making such a statement. Who knows, he might end up being a terrific sheriff.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 8:00 pm

conflicts of interest and lack of trust, respect and credibility in him

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 7:31 am

to get booked into his own jail for bruising his wife, I would have to say he is certainly in the running as a bad Sheriff.

Posted by D. Native on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 1:41 pm

Thank you for your comment completely discrediting your statement. You know nothing about a) our sheriff or b) any other sheriff in the country.

Your thoughts have been noted and dispensed with.

Posted by CitiReport on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 9:01 am

amongst Guardian staff. That has and is going to cost them deeply. Andrea Shorter is leading a recall of Ross - meaning the next year will be dominated by this issue (as has the past year - and how has that turned out for progressives?). You'd think Steven and Tim, being as politically astute as they claim to be, would know when to cut this deadweight loose. Instead Steven writes articles alleging criminal behavior by Shorter and Tim, reactionary as always, writes articles attempting to pick fights with Nevius - who ignores him. It's pathetic.

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 8:03 pm

It's been incredibly destructive to the progressive movement spending the past 11 months of endless chatter here and on sfgate trying to defend a politician who wasn't very defensible. A recall campaign will mean another year of bad publicity and empty rhetoric and further destroy the reputation of many people who have been associated with the progressive movement in SF. All because a politician helped run a couple of public power campaigns for the Bay Guardian, even though he really wasn't very well respected by some segments of the progressive movement. I hope it was worth it, GUYS.

Peskin was right. Mirkarimi should have resigned and got his life together before trying to bounce back. Instead, he has forced the spotlight onto himself and his family issues, dominating the news and preventing progressive ideas and programs from being discussed. Based on his refusal to resign he's taken out a decent D5 supervsior (although I think Mirkarimi supported Breed so he got his wish there), and now he threatens to derail the very promising political career of Jane Kim, who better team up fast with Andea Shorter and Ed Lee on the recall campaign if she doesn't want to suffer the same fate as Olague in two years. Even the two most solid current progressive leaders - Avalos and Campos - will feel the affects from their vote if they want to have any future with Bay Area politics or careers that intersect with local politics.

Avalos, Campos, Mar, Kim, and even Chiu and Olague represent an array of political leaders that could help build on a solid progressive movement in SF, but instead the progressives are demoralized and in a shambles because the Bay Guardian's most-favored politician is so self-centered and uncaring about a larger political movement beyond his own paycheck and lucrative pension. Maybe politicians like Mirkarimi really are different - they just don't care about other people. Sociopathic I think it's called.

Willie Brown and Ed Lee couldn't have found a more perfect poster boy for everything that is wrong with many SF progressives - arrogant, tone-deaf, dominating male womanizer.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 10:19 pm

I agree with you, Tim. I think the Mayor's "backing" had little to do with the success of the various initiatives on the ballot. The people of SF, both the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy, are pretty progressive politically (yes, that is truly my opinion). I certainly didn't vote for any of those initiatives because Ed Lee told me to. I voted for them because I think they're the right moves for us as a City. In fact, I wrote off Ed Lee during his Mayoral campaign because of the excellent coverage the Bay Guardian provided on the suspicious attempts at voting fraud in Chinatown. I ended up voting for Avalos in that election because I feel that he is an honest and honorable man, and these qualities overrode what was in my own best interest financially (voting for Lee).

But I would also argue that the fact that Ed Lee, and the Progressives, both backed so many of the same initiatives clearly indicates that our Mayor is not nearly as conservative as you would have us believe.

In any case, good blog, Tim.

Posted by Snoozers on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 10:12 pm

The whole Mirkarimi DV attack is bullshit its all about getting rid of the major SF progressives. As Conway said on the steps of city hall when Ed Lee was on his way to be sworn in as mayor, we will now take back the city from the progressives.
With Olauge gone Jane Kim is next. One by one the major progressive players will lose their voice.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 08, 2012 @ 11:46 pm

@ The whole Mirkarimi attack......
Your comment makes a lot of sense, I could never get my head around the shit-storm that followed Mirkarimi. Not that I condone Dv in any way, but pulling your wife's arm and bruising it, gimme a break.
Progressives wake up and come together, B4 it's to late.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 12:30 am

You see as a private, family matter, perhaps?

You people never learn, even when the voters put it on a plate for you and ring a bell.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 7:33 am

Breed won in D5 because progressives were divided and Breed was the only moderate candidate of stature. Enrique Pearce cannot win a contested campaign without someone who knows what they're doing on his team. Each of the D5 progressives was subject to attack from the others for not conforming to the progressive idea as espoused by the other two candidates, although Rizzo did not do any of the attacking.

The SF Rising Action Fund had the gall to ask Rizzo why he was running against a candidate of color, in D fucking Five of all places! And it seems that they came up short in helping Christina. With those kinds of progressive gatekeepers, the ones who endorsed Ed Lee second to keep their cash flow coming, the ones who went over the cliff with the late Eric Quezada coming in a distant third in 2008, how can progressives help but lose?

Mar won in D1 because it was a one-on-one race against Lee, Mar had the incumbent advantage believe it or not, Nicole Derse is talented and plays for keeps, and the massive IE campaign elicited a backlash that did neither hurt Mar nor helped Lee.

Ask Christina Olague and Rodrigo Santos how well Ed Lee did on election day!

Posted by marcos on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 7:51 am

Eliana Lopez will be free to speak her mind in a recall election. It will be very interesting to see the alleged victim of DV portraying what went down on NYE as a rough patch that did not require government intervention, a private family matter that they've managed to work through, according to the principals, that the courts ended up seeing the same way.

Posted by marcos on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 7:53 am

"Eliana Lopez will be free to speak her mind in a recall election."

You mean she is going to come back from Venezuela for the recall election?

Posted by Demented, Yet Terribly, Terribly Persistent on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 8:40 am

since her source of employment is in a different country.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 2:58 pm

Like at a school?

Posted by Hortencia on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 11:22 am

Like at a school?

I don't that she's been shy about speaking her mind heretofore.

Posted by Hortencia on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 11:23 am

...has been terribly shy about expressing herself until now.

Posted by Hortencia on Nov. 12, 2012 @ 6:19 pm

and when the actual vote is taken about a year from now, people reflect on the great job the Sheriff has done in the intervening time...result: not what the anti-DV non-profit women wanted.Think of all the true victims of real DV they could have helped with all that money and all that effort.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 8:44 am

The whole point of this game is to shunt piles of cash into the pockets of the political players and their coterie.

Posted by marcos on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 9:23 am

and then CW just ignores him and his comments. Classic.

Posted by D. Native on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 8:59 am

It is truly pathetic how the progressive movement is so exhausted that they take their cues on what to address from their opponents, totally captured.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 9:52 am

How many decades has it been since California was controlled by one political party or a few economic interests (mining and railroading)? The history of the state is largely defined by these early years when Republicans and wealthy real estate interests passed laws to promote their self-interests.

Now with the Decocrats controlling both houses AND the governor's chair, the ability to pass truly progressive legislation at the state level is mind-boggling. Housing rules can be reformed. Transportation funding priorities established. Tax policy changes enacted. Education funding and infrastructure improvementsmade. Plus, there's another $6 billion of new funding to play with. Happy days are here!

But it appears from reading the comments that San Francisco progressives are instead looking forward to spending the next year defending a politician who wasn't even that effective as a supervsior, and who is so selfish (or clueless) that he doesn't realize that staying in office hurts many other people in the progressive movement and wastes precious energy fighting a rear guard action.

I wish Arthur Evans were still with us so he could write a mildly humorous article, "The San Francsico Progressives, circa 2008 to 2014. The Dumbest Political Minds in America. Ever?"

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 11:03 am

The Guardian is on record, as nauseum, that a recall is the best method for dealing with this issue. They opposed Lee's attempt to recall Mirkarimi because it represented a "usurpation" of power from the voters to the executive. Well now that is being corrected. A recall will allow Ross to state his case directly to the voters of SF and the voters to make their judgement. In the event Mirkarimi wins I'll be the first to share his triumph and everyone should then heal and move on. But, as The Guardian has said repeatedly right on these pages - a recall is the appropriate way to deal with this issue. Without it we will never heal. Without it the supervisor's vote on this issue will linger like a bad infection in our body politic. Jane Kim will be hounded for this vote, Campos will be dogged by it when he attempts to make the move to Leno's seat when Leno wins Pelosi's seat in 2014 (after she retires) - it will never end.

Support Ross by supporting a recall. Bring healing to SF.

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 11:26 am

Drinks all around when the recall goes down (fails). We'll put it on Troll II's tab.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 2:26 pm

He can finally put this all behind him and concentrate on what he was elected to do. Beating the recall will be like a political blood infusion - it'll bring him and his moribund career back to life! The infection will be cured - our city family will be healed. Until that happens limbs will continue to become sick and die - Christina Olague was the first, David Campos is going to be the next followed by Jane Kim. We must stop this disease.

Support Ross by supporting a recall!

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 3:25 pm


Posted by lillipublicans on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 7:35 pm

That just breaks my heart. I support Ross - I want him to put this behind him. The Guardian has said numerous times that the only appropriate way to do so is by a recall. I'm just going along with The Guardian here. I want healing. We NEED healing.

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 8:09 pm

I saw Ross on Halloween night wearing pink leather hotpants and bandoleros across his bare chest. It was weird.

Posted by Chromefields on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 10:21 am

...Ed Lee tricked him into it.

Posted by Hortencia on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

I saw that, too. What was he thinking?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 12:54 pm

That might be just what he needs to do politically - solidify support amongst The Gays - to beat the upcoming recall.

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 3:27 pm